hyper drive and transwarp

darth korte · Post by **darth korte** » 2005-08-04 05:49am

correct me if i`am wrong ,but are´t hyper drive and transwarpdrive pretty similar?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-04 05:53am

Apart from taking an object from point A to point B through a shiny special effect...no.

Hyperdrive, to the best of my recollection, doesn't have "hubs", "networks", or "transwarp coils".

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 06:15am

Hyperspace has a tunnelling effect, and takes place in a different plane of reality, they both go faster than light speed.... and that's where the similarities end.

Entering Hyperspace is similar to entering Warp... move really fast at sublight and then break into that other dimension. Transwarp opens up a visible "Wormhole" and uses that to travel.

Hyperspace is also consistently Faster.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-08-04 08:52am

Except warp drive doesn't involve transistion into another dimention.
It involves the distorting of space and time, both infront and behind the ship, allowing the ship to traverse the distance in less time than it really ought to. The ship in the meantime is protected by a warp bubble, meaning that it itself is not distorted. This is nothing like hyperdrive whatsoever. IIRC

Transwarp creates a narow tunnel through spacetime, and seems to be nothing more than a very efficient form of warp travel, creating the most effcient route from A to B instead of simply warping a whole bunch of space and time between there and here. I could be wrong though. This was a google job / wikipedia / from memory but I'm pretty sure most o' that is right.

Either way, warp and transwarp are nothing like hyperdrive.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-08-04 09:19am

Transwarp is only really fast if you have one of those "conduits", and the conduits are pre-built structures which can be collapsed ahead of a spacecraft (thus destroying it) or hijacked by a hostile spacecraft. None of these properties remotely apply to hyperdrive.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-08-04 11:40am

The closest hyperdrive-type technology to transwarp, is the Hypergates that the Gree Enclave use in the EY fluf.

They use special conduits to connect far distant points on other worlds, sort of like the Eldar webway in 40K but not as sophisticated, in some ways. Hypergates are thus, roughly analogous to transwarp corridors.

Thats about it though. Traditional hyperdrives are a whole different animal. Actually i think...Centerpoint Base uses some kind of 'hyperspace wormhole' maybe, again, only roughly analogous to transwarp but better of course.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 01:58pm

Quantum Slipstream is sort of Hyperspace-ish.

And quite fast.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-08-04 02:08pm

Again no. the only similarity between the QSD and hyperdrive is that a ship enters a swirly special effect.

from memory alpha wrote:The slipstream is a narrowly-focused, directed warp field that is initiated by manipulating the fabric of the space-time continuum at the quantum level. It works by focusing a quantum field through a deflector dish to generate massive changes in local space curvature; this creates a subspace tunnel, which is projected in front of the vessel. Once a ship has entered this tunnel, the forces inside propel it at incredible speed. In order to maintain the slipstream a ship has to constantly modify the quantum field with its deflector dish; however, the calculations involved are too complicated, and the time available too short, for current Starfleet technology

McLink

This is nothing whatsoever like hyperdrive. The ship does not enter a parellel universe where all time is but an instant. It is just another yet more efficent version of the bog-standard warp technology.

I know memory alpha is not the most reliable of sources. If anybody has the script to voyager ep: hope and fear I'd be grateful.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-08-04 02:31pm

Sorry, I forgot to add:

dakarne wrote:And quite fast.

Not really. Not when compared to the hyperdrive. In the Voyager episode hope and fear[/] they travel using Quantum Slipstream Drive 15 light-years in barely five minutes; which gives us an overall speed of 2.6 million times C. (Could someone kindly check this though)

That's not even a third of the hyperdrives minimum estimation, right here on SDN's front page.

Darth Wong wrote: Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, the ability to travel "halfway across the galaxy" in a matter of hours as demonstrated in ANH, TPM, and AOTC requires speeds in the range of 10 million to 100 million times c).

so yeah, QSD is fast when compared to my fat as running for a buss, but compared to the hyperdrive its like walking, man.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 04:31pm

I did say pretty fast, I never said it was anything compared with Hyperdrive...

It seems as if ST has some work to do...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-04 04:40pm

Dakarne wrote:I did say pretty fast, I never said it was anything compared with Hyperdrive...

It seems as if ST has some work to do...

You said Hyperspace-ish, thus implying they were similarities.

Afterwards you remarked about speed.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-04 04:43pm

I said it was pretty Fast and sort of Resembled in hyperspace in a small way. Forgive me, it's been years since I last bothered to watch VOY, never mind the particular episode...

It's millions times faster than Warp Drive at least.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-08-10 12:40am

Jay wrote:Except warp drive doesn't involve transistion into another dimention.
It involves the distorting of space and time, both infront and behind the ship, allowing the ship to traverse the distance in less time than it really ought to. The ship in the meantime is protected by a warp bubble, meaning that it itself is not distorted. This is nothing like hyperdrive whatsoever. IIRC

Transwarp creates a narow tunnel through spacetime, and seems to be nothing more than a very efficient form of warp travel, creating the most effcient route from A to B instead of simply warping a whole bunch of space and time between there and here. I could be wrong though. This was a google job / wikipedia / from memory but I'm pretty sure most o' that is right.

Either way, warp and transwarp are nothing like hyperdrive.

I could have sworn that that was the actual real-life idea for Alba-something or other's Warp Drive (or space drive or SOMETHING to that effect) and that Trek warp drives work by creating some kind of sub-space bubble and then propelling THAT forward (identical in effect, but the real warp drive does it by contracting space in front and expanding it in the back).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-10 01:16am

Hyperspace is not a "different plane of reality" or some other BS. It's the regular universe observed from a tachyonic state.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-08-10 03:16am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hyperspace is not a "different plane of reality" or some other BS. It's the regular universe observed from a tachyonic state.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html

Er, where's his proof?

He simply states it as such without ever actually proving it.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-08-10 10:06am

At plushie:

memory alpha wrote:Warp drive works by distorting the fabric of space to propel the vessel. Simply put, the drive warps space, both in front of and behind a starship, allowing it travel faster than the speed of light. Specifically, spacetime is contracted in front of the ship and expanded behind it. The starship itself rests in a warp bubble between the two spacetime distortions. This warped space, together with the region between it, accelerates off at "warp speed" and the vessel then "surfs" the wave in spacetime created by this distortion.

Travel at velocities exceeding the speed of light is possible in this fashion because the starship is, strictly speaking, stationary (relative to the space of its warp bubble) while spacetime itself is moving. Since spacetime itself is moving and the starship is not actually accelerating, it experiences no time dilation, allowing the passage of time inside the vessel to be the same as that outside it.

Space is warped behind and in front of the ship. The ship is protected from time dialation by a warp field. The ship inside its bubble is propelled through space FTL. I don't really see how this differs from what you said, or what I said before.

At Spanky. Its in one of the expanded universe books where they describe hyperspace as a separate realm; but since all of my books are currently taped up inside cardboard boxes; I'll conceed the point. However, it remains true that hyperspace and transwarp are nothing alike.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2005-08-10 10:14am

Plushie wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hyperspace is not a "different plane of reality" or some other BS. It's the regular universe observed from a tachyonic state.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html
Er, where's his proof?

He simply states it as such without ever actually proving it.

Well, he wrote the Ep 2 ICS and put it in there, so it's canon now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-10 11:17am

Jay wrote:At Spanky. Its in one of the expanded universe books where they describe hyperspace as a separate realm; but since all of my books are currently taped up inside cardboard boxes; I'll conceed the point. However, it remains true that hyperspace and transwarp are nothing alike.

I know all about the whole Hyperspace is a seperate universe junk. As Pcm said, it's in one of the higher sources of canon now, so all the BS is overridden.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-08-10 11:30am

fair enough.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-08-10 04:03pm

Pcm979 wrote:
Plushie wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hyperspace is not a "different plane of reality" or some other BS. It's the regular universe observed from a tachyonic state.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html
Er, where's his proof?

He simply states it as such without ever actually proving it.
Well, he wrote the Ep 2 ICS and put it in there, so it's canon now.

Ah...ok then.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-08-10 04:05pm

Jay wrote:At plushie:

Space is warped behind and in front of the ship. The ship is protected from time dialation by a warp field. The ship inside its bubble is propelled through space FTL. I don't really see how this differs from what you said, or what I said before.

Ah, I could have sworn I heard it worked on a different, more technobabble principle. Perhaps that is just old, out-dated canon and the new, actual warp-drive explanation has replaced it.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-08-10 07:49pm

Plushie wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Hyperspace is not a "different plane of reality" or some other BS. It's the regular universe observed from a tachyonic state.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html
Er, where's his proof?

He simply states it as such without ever actually proving it.

"Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy. Without precise calculations you could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

That seems to fly in the face of the "different plane of reality" bit, doesn't it?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-08-14 04:30am

Jay wrote:Sorry, I forgot to add:

dakarne wrote:And quite fast.
Not really. Not when compared to the hyperdrive. In the Voyager episode hope and fear[/] they travel using Quantum Slipstream Drive 15 light-years in barely five minutes; which gives us an overall speed of 2.6 million times C. (Could someone kindly check this though)

Yes really. In 'Timeless' the REAL slipstream Drive Voyager built (the one in hope and fear was a completly jury rigged quasi slipstream drive) sent them around 10,000 light years in a matter of minuites.

Even so, the slipstream drive in Hope and Fear on Voyager got them about 300 light years in 50 minuites before they had to drop back to sublight, well within the relms of most hyperdrive cruising speeds. The 'super slipstream' on the other hand is faster then any Hyperdrive I've ever seen in SW. Though the problem with it was that the longer you stayed in it, the larger some kind of 'phase varience' buildup would be, which if not adjusted for, would VERY violently send you back into realspace.

So Janeway dismantled the damn drive...instead of doing the most logical thing and simply using it in short bursts of a few minuites to get home in an hour or so. But no-one ever claimed she was the sharpest tool in the shed.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-08-14 04:33am

Oh and I have no indication anywhere that the Memory Alpha description of the Quantum Slipstream technology is accurate, it frankly looks like a huge chunk of technobabble with a little episodic line or two written in.

And a LOT of EU stuff says that Hyperspace is an alternate dimension. I'm actualy rather irritated that Saxton put the 'realspace in a tachyonic state' theory in becuase there is much less support in the EU for it.

But who cares...

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-14 04:58am

So Janeway dismantled the damn drive...instead of doing the most logical thing and simply using it in short bursts of a few minuites to get home in an hour or so. But no-one ever claimed she was the sharpest tool in the shed.

Parts of the drive were degrading (I think it was alien tech they stole which started to desintegrate). That's why the test was rushed. Replacing the part would've taken years.

[/url] KIM: The benamite crystals at the heart of this engine have already started to decay. It could take years to synthesise more.