Give us ten thousand years

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-04 10:14pm

I don't recall, during what period was the Rakatan Empire supposed to have been at its peak? Apparently, several species (former slave races) picked up FTL tech after the Rakatan's lost their force connection and fled home.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-08-04 10:17pm

Darth Wong wrote:Give Iraq ten thousand years and it will kick the shit out of the 21st century American army!

I'd love to one up that statement, but really, I'm not too sure... Take note, all of Iraq's weapons are imported designs. Most likely, if you'd give them ten thousand years, the worst they could do is breed everyone else out of existence.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-08-04 10:21pm

As to the original topic, I think that given both sides say...80,000 years, just to materialize a number out of thin air for no good reason, I would say that the newly TL armed Federation advances to do battle with the Empire.

And Emperor Wankatine (descended somehow of Palpatine's father's cousin's former roomate) laughs hysterically while using his planet-sized death ray to obliterate the entire Federation. And then pisses on the ashes.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-04 10:25pm

Edited your thread title, darkarne- uninformative thread titles are frowned upon. A browser should not have to click on the thread to know what it's about.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-08-05 12:50am

Junghalli wrote:(1)The Federation destroys the Borg and gradually expands and absorbs all its neighbors and enemies until it becomes a galactic empire. Eventually all the species merge into one through interbreeding, and we end up with something very much like the Foundationverse GE.

Why should the Federation absorb its neighbours and enemies? Why not have, say, the Romulans absorb its neighbours and enemies?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-08-05 03:27am

Dakarne wrote:We've all heard the annoying "Give us tens of thousands of years!" Arguement from the Trekkies.

Whenever you hear that argument from a Trekkie, just keep in mind this very essential equation:

"Give us tens of thousands of years" = "Our guys are FUCKED"

Really, it's the same unspoken admission of defeat as the time-travel argument.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 04:53am

Yep... I was just thinking how things would go if they WERE given 10,000 years...

Of course, they're fucked, either way. They'd either be turning into energy, or barking "You will be Assimilated" to the remnants of the Star Trek Galaxy.

GeneralTacticus · Post by **GeneralTacticus** » 2005-08-05 05:21am

Noble Ire wrote:I don't recall, during what period was the Rakatan Empire supposed to have been at its peak? Apparently, several species (former slave races) picked up FTL tech after the Rakatan's lost their force connection and fled home.

~25 000 years before the movie-era, IIRC. I have no idea how well this squares with other EU material.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-05 09:40am

GeneralTacticus wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:I don't recall, during what period was the Rakatan Empire supposed to have been at its peak? Apparently, several species (former slave races) picked up FTL tech after the Rakatan's lost their force connection and fled home.
~25 000 years before the movie-era, IIRC. I have no idea how well this squares with other EU material.

It was more than 25,000 years. The Rakatan Empire existed and vanished long before the founding of the Republic.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-08-05 06:55pm

Surlethe wrote:Why should the Federation absorb its neighbours and enemies? Why not have, say, the Romulans absorb its neighbours and enemies?

Because the Federation has a track record of peacefully absorbing its neighbors, hence the reason it's called the Federation and not the Earth Empire. Run it through for a minute. With current trends the Klingons and Romulans will likely be Federation members in a century (and the ENT time travel episodes confirm some of this). It just seems the most likely point of origin for the future Galactic Empire. Especially when one takes into account the general human-wanking trend of SF.

Anyway, however it starts my prediction is in ten or twenty thousand years the Trekverse will look sort of like Asimov's Galactic Empire. Either that or the Borg will assimilate everything, one of the two.
Having a galactic Borg hive-mind go up against the Empire would be pretty cool to watch though.

Noble Ire wrote:I don't recall, during what period was the Rakatan Empire supposed to have been at its peak? Apparently, several species (former slave races) picked up FTL tech after the Rakatan's lost their force connection and fled home.

I don't think using extinct civilizations as a benchmark for technological advancement is very reliable. The only reliable way of measuring how old the Republic is would be how old its current member species are. If we go by the standard of X species had space travel millions of years ago then the Trekverse has had space travel for three billion years (the Progenitators).

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 07:05pm

I don't think using extinct civilizations as a benchmark for technological advancement is very reliable. The only reliable way of measuring how old the Republic is would be how old its current member species are. If we go by the standard of X species had space travel millions of years ago then the Trekverse has had space travel for three billion years (the Progenitators).

I wonder... what caused them to be wiped out... (sudden image of a Star Destroyer broadside)

Okay... That would be an interesting scenario, the Progenitors versus the SW Galactic Empire

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-05 07:07pm

Progenitors?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 07:15pm

Progenitors?

Seen once or twice in TNG, apparently the only living beings in the Galaxy at their time, apparently, they went extinct...

to quote memory alpha:

The Progenitors are one of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant's oldest sentient species. About 4.5 billion years ago, the Progenitors decided to seed the oceans of many worlds, including Earth, Vulcan, Qo'noS, Bajor, Betazed, Cardassia Prime, Andor, Tellar, Trill, etc., with DNA codes which would direct the evolution of life towards a pattern similar to their own. The extent of planets that were 'seeded' could possibly extend throughout the Milky Way Galaxy's four quadrants. It is possible that most or all of the sentient humanoid species encountered in the galaxy could have a common ancestry to this species. (TNG: "The Chase")

we have no clue as to the technological abilities that they possess, other than the ability to spawn an entire species.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-05 07:24pm

Yeah, let's throw two powers we don't know shit about against each other...

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-08-05 07:28pm

Dakarne wrote:Okay... That would be an interesting scenario, the Progenitors versus the SW Galactic Empire

Well, SW was supposed to be "a long time ago."

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 07:44pm

Spanky the Dolphin wrote:Yeah, let's throw two powers we don't know shit about against each other...

Actually, we don't know shit about one of them, we know plenty about the other one...

Junghalli wrote:Well, SW was supposed to be "a long time ago."

We just have one itty bitty problem, we don't know shit about the Progenitors, other than the fact that making an augment would be a piece of piss for them.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-05 07:45pm

Dakarne wrote:
Spanky the Dolphin wrote:Yeah, let's throw two powers we don't know shit about against each other...
Actually, we don't know shit about one of them, we know plenty about the other one...

I missread and thought you meant against the Rakatan. Apologies.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 07:48pm

I missread and thought you meant against the Rakatan. Apologies.

Apology Accepted, but we still don't know shit about the Progenitors, so that's a bit of a stillborn debate.

In fact, we know more about the Rakatan than we do about the Progenitors... since the Rakatan were gracious enough not to go extinct before questioning.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-08-05 08:05pm

Dakarne wrote:
I missread and thought you meant against the Rakatan. Apologies.
Apology Accepted, but we still don't know shit about the Progenitors...

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>_>

Arn't they the guys that built Sajuuk in HW2?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-05 08:08pm

Arn't they the guys that built Sajuuk in HW2?

They probably did for all we know...

In fact... since this is a crossover-intensive board... I'm willing to bet that (in an X-Over universe) we could use some of the Sajuuk's tech style in that particular debate.

It's information on the Progenitors at least.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-08-05 08:46pm

Are you on crack?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-08-05 08:57pm

Stark wrote:Are you on crack?

I'll bet you that his response includes "I was joking, or I have Aspergers Syndrome".

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-08-06 12:15am

Stark wrote:Are you on crack?

No, he's just a royal-grade moron.

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2005-08-06 03:07am

hmm..that doesn't mean star wars technology will be the same after 10,000 years

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-08-06 03:13am

Didn't it take like a century (and some constant warfare, intervention by the Q, etc.) for any real advancements to occur? And even tehn it was incremental at best (in most cases.)

Even if they jumped forward a million times, they're not going to be as powerful enough or numerous enough to beat the Empire.