nBSG S2:04: "Resistance"

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-08-05 11:15pm

Ghetto edit: I think Boomer might have pulled that number out of her ass.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-05 11:16pm

Knife wrote:It also makes him some what sympathetic to Cylons since, though he's pissed as hell, he still loved Boomer on some level and had to watch her die in his arms, shot by one of his most loyal troops.

The Cheif showed sympathy even before Boomer bit the bullet with his "lab rat" comment to Dr. Baltar. Another unexpected twist, considering his previous cold shoulder behavior toward Sharon/Galactica-Boomer.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-05 11:19pm

MariusRoi wrote:Plus we have full canon names for 4 Battlestars now: Galactica, Atlantia, Pegasus, and Columbia.

Atlantia and Columbia were mentioned in the pilot actually. Along with the Solaria and Triton. This is the first mention of the Pegasus.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-08-05 11:19pm

Agent Fisher wrote:When Cally put one into Boomer, did anyone think of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald?

See my post above... altho I mixed up Osward and Ruby, I think. Wasn't Oswald the one that shot Ruby?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-08-05 11:21pm

Mario1470 wrote:
Knife wrote:It also makes him some what sympathetic to Cylons since, though he's pissed as hell, he still loved Boomer on some level and had to watch her die in his arms, shot by one of his most loyal troops.
The Cheif showed sympathy even before Boomer bit the bullet with his "lab rat" comment to Dr. Baltar. Another unexpected twist, considering his previous cold shoulder behavior toward Sharon/Galactica-Boomer.

Baltar was being coldly factual, and bluntly stated that he didn't get the Chief free, she did... but not telling him how she did it. Obviously Baltar wasn't looking forward to the 'experiments' to come either.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-08-05 11:22pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:When Cally put one into Boomer, did anyone think of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald?
See my post above... altho I mixed up Osward and Ruby, I think. Wasn't Oswald the one that shot Ruby?

Didnt see that. Ruby shot oswald, oswald shot kennedy.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-08-05 11:24pm

Mario1470 wrote:
Knife wrote:It also makes him some what sympathetic to Cylons since, though he's pissed as hell, he still loved Boomer on some level and had to watch her die in his arms, shot by one of his most loyal troops.
The Cheif showed sympathy even before Boomer bit the bullet with his "lab rat" comment to Dr. Baltar. Another unexpected twist, considering his previous cold shoulder behavior toward Sharon/Galactica-Boomer.

True. It all leads into the thought of 'demonizing' the enemy and not seeing them as 'human', which I think will become even bigger part of the plot with the new 'baby' angle.

Acts and situations like this will make some people stand back and re examine that particular train of thought.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-05 11:32pm

Wow. I'm tempted to say I might have liked this one more than "Fragged".

Doc Coddle continues to rock. Especially when he basically calls Tigh a dumbass.

It's interesting the loyalty Apollo has from his squadron. Considering his actions against Roslin and the fact he never seemed as popular as Starbuck, I always thought he was sort of distant from his pilots. Of course for the Nuggets, he's the only CAG they've ever known.

Edward James Olmos' presence as Adama still shocks me. He acts more like a force of nature than a character. Even when wobbly on his feet and in a bathrobe.

I really didn't see Cally shooting Boomer coming, I'd been spoiled that Galactica Boomer was toast, but at the hands of Cally? I'm just wondering what the reprecusions will be for her now.

On a side note, I see the paranoid "holy fuck, the Chief is a Cylon! Everybody is a Cylon!" deckhand from "Litmus" is back. Here's to hoping if the Cylon's board again he gets a few rounds pumped into him.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-05 11:37pm

Zomg. This is annoying. Fucking Australia.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-05 11:55pm

Theory of the day: Cally is in love with the Chief, and that's why she shot Sharon.

Also, am I the only one who thinks Roslin is a pompous, stupid bitch? The religious skullfuckery, her willingness to take a pedestal when the price will be civil war among an already tiny human population, her constant attempts to undermine the authority of the only people standing between mankind and a grisly death at the hands of the Cylons... it's pissing me off. I liked her at first, but now I feel she's getting self-righteous and arrogant.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-05 11:57pm

Mario1470 wrote:Billy, you fracking coward. !

My god, get your head out of your ass. Billy's the only one out of that posse with half a brain in his skull. Roslin is going to spark a fucking civil war over a decision she made based on drug-induced hallucinations and religious texts. Billy is right to move away from her.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-08-06 12:02am

Thirdfain wrote:snip

I'm not sure about cally being in love with the chief. She might just look up to him in a father/older brother sort of way. Still, I suppose anything's possible.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you about Roslin. She's taking hallucination inducing drugs when she's supposed to be leading the fraking survivors of humanity, and is ready to start a civil war over a religious prophecy. What's worse is that the Quorem (sp?) of twelve didn't immediatly find her unfit for duty, and elect a new leader, but they actually rallied behind her and this "Prophecy" stuff that she's spewing. It seems like stupidity runs high amongst the colonial leadership.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-06 12:03am

Tigh needs to face consequences for what he did to the Chief. That was inexcusable.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-06 12:04am

Alyeska wrote:Tigh needs to face consequences for what he did to the Chief. That was inexcusable.

Absolutely, Tigh made some VERY bad, bad calls- but in the name of keeping the crew together, I would not publically hang him if I were Adama. the fleet needs unity more than anything else.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-06 12:05am

Maybe not in public, but the Chief owes Tigh some bruises for sure.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-06 12:06am

Thirdfain wrote:My god, get your head out of your ass. Billy's the only one out of that posse with half a brain in his skull. Roslin is going to spark a fucking civil war over a decision she made based on drug-induced hallucinations and religious texts. Billy is right to move away from her.

In that context, yes. That was a knee-jerk reaction on my part.

Here's a concession, gift wrapped with a bow.

BTW, You're not alone in the Roslin-haters Club. As of tonite, I'm a card-carrying member.

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2005-08-06 12:06am

Thirdfain wrote:Also, am I the only one who thinks Roslin is a pompous, stupid bitch? The religious skullfuckery, her willingness to take a pedestal when the price will be civil war among an already tiny human population, her constant attempts to undermine the authority of the only people standing between mankind and a grisly death at the hands of the Cylons... it's pissing me off. I liked her at first, but now I feel she's getting self-righteous and arrogant.

You're not the only one. If I had to choose to be in either Adama's camp, or Rosalyn's, I'd choose Adama's (though I might not choose Tigh's.... it's complicated). This would be even more the case if I was an actual colonial citizen in the show, who knew about Rosalyn spouting on about being the "Chosen Leader" and jeapordizing everything in order to retrieve some religious icon. (as it is, being a viewer I realize that (unfortunately) all the religious stuff is probably going to be proven at least partly right in the end. If it doesn't, I'll love this show even more.) If only Billy and Fundie the Guard hadn't been able to get the kamala to her before Tigh brought the quorum in, the whole damn mess could've been avoided.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-08-06 12:09am

Very Minor Spoilers:

According to the preview of the next episode, Roslin takes the next step, and broadcasts her religious BS to the entire fleet. Instead of trying to overthrow martial law because Tigh is fraking things up and getting civillians shot, she actually get's on the wireless and spews this "Chosen Leader" bullshit to the fleet

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-08-06 12:13am

Mario1470 wrote: In that context, yes. That was a knee-jerk reaction on my part. Here's a concession, gift wrapped with a bow.

BTW, You're not alone in the Roslin-haters Club. As of tonite, I'm a card-carrying member.

How very pretty. Thank you.

I've been trying to look at this whole story as a modern political allegory, and it's not working. Adama is a no-nonsense SOB, with no patience for religion, and a lack of reverence for Democracy. Laura Roslin believes very strongly in her religion, I'd even call her a fundamentalist, but she's dedicated to the democratic ideal very strongly. It's a strange set of traits for both of them.

Also, as has been previously noted, I think it's pretty obvious that the Colonial populace is very religious- and polytheistic. Meanwhile, the Cylons are fanatical monotheists with an obvious technological edge. Hmmm.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-06 12:24am

Thirdfain wrote:I've been trying to look at this whole story as a modern political allegory, and it's not working. Adama is a no-nonsense SOB, with no patience for religion, and a lack of reverence for Democracy.

Adama does seem to have respect for the rule of law as evidenced in "Litmus". The thing about Adama is he seems to have zero tolerance for things that cross his worldview and what he sees as threats.

Roslin became a threat to the fleet in his mind when she convinced Starbuck to steal the Raider.

Also, quite frankly, Roslin completely broke the pact she and Adama made in the mini-series. Roslin was indeed the one in charge of the fleet, but military decisions would rest with Adama, as Adama saw her unqualified to make military decisions, and she really was in no position to disagree. Throughout Season 1 they stuck to that pact till "Kobol's Last Gleaming".

el blanco · Post by **el blanco** » 2005-08-06 12:46am

Does anyone else see a contradiction with a woman who claims to be a staunch proponent of democracy, yet has no problem letting people bow to her as an uncontested religious icon? These last few episodes she has really rubbed me the wrong way.

Also, we know one person who isn't a Cylon. Adama. We know he has a personal history and a family. We also know that he is unaffected by that radiation that kills Cylons (the last of the miniseries).

I guess the fact that Apollo is his son and Tigh is his buddy from so far back also clears them.

I don't think Rosylin is one either, because she underwent extensive medical testing for her cancer. I doubt they'd taker a chance on that. Unless, of course, the cylons are really dedicated to working with that prophecy.

Crap, I just convinced myself she is a Cylon.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-06 12:53am

el blanco wrote:I don't think Rosylin is one either, because she underwent extensive medical testing for her cancer.

Cancer test =/= Cylon test. Baltar himself stated in the BSG 2k3 miniseries that humaniform cylons were basically identical to humans in almost every way.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2005-08-06 12:53am

Did anyone else cheer when Adama appeared?

And just the way they set up the scene, with Boomer and the Chief walking through the coridoor to the jeers of the crew, you knew someone was going to shot something... but I was really surprised it was Cally!

Yeah, I do think she is in love with the chief.

When they first introduced Ellen, I thought she was a Cyclon. But its too obviouse, so now I think she is really Human. The human equivalent of Six. She is there to show that humans can be just as manipulative and evil as the Cyclons.

el blanco · Post by **el blanco** » 2005-08-06 01:01am

Mario1470 wrote:
el blanco wrote:I don't think Rosylin is one either, because she underwent extensive medical testing for her cancer.
Cancer test =/= Cylon test. Baltar himself stated in the BSG 2k3 miniseries that humaniform cylons were basically identical to humans in almost every way.

Ya, thats occured to me. I've managed to talk myself into adding her to my list.

I figure at least one more major charecter and one second stringer are Cylons.

The major I think is either Rosylin or Baltar.

The second stringer.....dunno.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-06 01:04am

The 1 am EST rebroadcast of BSG is about to come on, and I am going to watch it again. [/geekin' for a fix] Battlestar Ga-Crack-tica....(drool)[/crack fiend]

Macross wrote: Did anyone else cheer when Adama appeared?

Yes, making the dogs go ape shit in the process, shouting "FUCK YEAH!!" at the top of my lungs when Adama showed up.