Didn't it take like a century (and some constant warfare, intervention by the Q, etc.) for any real advancements to occur? And even tehn it was incremental at best (in most cases.)
Yep... the Federation are a bit slow on the uptake. (understatement of the century)
I doubt the Federation has any ambition at all... they developed until the NCC 1701A Era, and then just stopped.
Even if they jumped forward a million times, they're not going to be as powerful enough or numerous enough to beat the Empire.
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It was more than 25,000 years. The Rakatan Empire existed and vanished long before the founding of the Republic.
KotOR puts their extinction at around 20 000 years earlier, which is around 24 000 years before the movies. As I said, I have no idea if this is consistent with other EU material.
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KotOR puts their extinction at around 20 000 years earlier, which is around 24 000 years before the movies. As I said, I have no idea if this is consistent with other EU material.
Well, the earliest known history of the republic is over 20,000 years before ANH... so I'm not quite sure, since the republic has had several devastating wars since then and history can be somewhat skewed.
Yep... the Federation are a bit slow on the uptake. (understatement of the century)
I doubt the Federation has any ambition at all... they developed until the NCC 1701A Era, and then just stopped.
You might want to get some help for that verbal diarrhea. The Federation most certainly kept developing after the TMP era : replicator tech, faster warp, new armaments, better defenses, etc.
We'll never know.
Do you still recall you started this thread ? If you already knew the answer to your own question - an answer many people gave you - why bother asking ?
Do you still recall you started this thread ? If you already knew the answer to your own question - an answer many people gave you - why bother asking ?
Yes I do recall, but in a pretense of actual development, I believe that one day the Federation would possibly match or even beat the Empire...
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It was more than 25,000 years. The Rakatan Empire existed and vanished long before the founding of the Republic.
KotOR puts their extinction at around 20 000 years earlier, which is around 24 000 years before the movies. As I said, I have no idea if this is consistent with other EU material.
The Republic was formed about 25,000 years BBY, actually, so that would mean that the Rakatan disappeared about 45,000 years BBY.
The Republic was formed about 25,000 years BBY, actually, so that would mean that the Rakatan disappeared about 45,000 years BBY.
Actually, it says that the Rakata were 20,000 years before KotOR, so I imagine that was when they disappeared, maybe after a forgotten war with the Republic (hey, it happens, can any historian tell you every single war in the history of this planet?)
The Infinite Empire was five thousand years prior to the Republic's formation. It had fallen and vanished into obscurity before the subspace-era of starflight began.
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But what do you mean by "subspace-era of starflight"?
I think he might mean that the Republic used Subspace engines to travel, you know Warp Drive (or Equivalent), and then started to use Hyperspace drives later on...
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I'm reading one of the books now, but AFAIK, this is true of Xeelee-verse humans. Unfortunately for them, the Xeelee represent seemingly-Asymptotic technological development, and it will do them no good at all.
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Ok, so probably someone already stated something like this, but I just thought this up (Purely SOD speculation):
a) Both StarWars and StarTrek (Earth) can be compatible (coexistent) universes, as indicated by the pressence of ET's on the Republic Senate.
b) As indicated, the events of Star Wars took place A LONG TIME AGO...
So, even if it might defeat the purpose of pitting the Empire vs Star Trek, this line of reasoning yields three results regarding the "Give us more time" claim:
1) By the 1980s, the Star Wars galaxy has viable inter-galactic drives, and intelligence on our galaxy's species and societies.
2) By the 1980s, the Star Wars galaxy has had A LONG TIME(tm) to advance its society and technology (As well as to have its wars and such).
3) By the time of TNG the Star Wars universe has had an even LONGER TIME to improve.
So, by this rationale, by the time a match could take place, the SW universe would be even farther into its future, and, barring any sort of catastrophe (wich could also happen to the ST universe in their 10k years), would outmatch ST even more, Empire or not.
So hell, plunge another 10k years into the future... even if there is some sort of technological cap, I'd bet the SW universe has developed a greater versatility in the use of its techonology.
Anyway, all that was off the top of my head....
Back on topic, trying to discern the advances a given civilization will make in a set amount of time is.... difficult.... you know, always in movement the future is. So I'd say the 10k year claim colud be roughly equivalent to saying "Push back the SW galaxy 10k years into its past"... I'd say the Old Republic would still beat them up.
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Ah, but if there are pretty much flat-out limits of what can be achieved with technology, and advanced societies mainly advance asymptotically... This is certainly how SW is presented. Scientifically stagnant across nearly all history. The only question is how long it took them to get up to the flat part of the curve.
Things start slowly until the machinery for finding things out are discovered (mathematics, scientific mindset, computers... ???). Once the tools are in place, progress is rapid until all of fundamental physics is discovered. Then it's basically just engineering.
Its been posted to an extent already but 10,000 years is not alot, in SW technology at least. if you go back in the past of Star Wars 5000 years. They have hyperspace and are using hyperdrives. Major hyperlanes are already plotted and various new ones are being formed by explorers. go back 5000 more years (10,000) hyperdrive exists and major hyperlanes are being finished. The only thing im not sure about is the weapons at the time, but the main thing is that the hyperdrives are still there
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