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[The Spartan]

Right, I gave that some thought about an hour ago- figure out the running speed of the ewoks (can be done, all you need to know is the leg size and it can be calculated, paleontologists do it all the time. Plus those formulas would be usefull for figuring walker top speed). Then go by the time for the reinfocements to show up to get a distance from the ewok camp to the imperial base. Then compare this radius to the total area to the required size of a hunting grounds to supply them with adequate prey (easily figured by looking at the size of the territories needed by predators with similar caloric intakes or primitive tribes). THis can support or refute the argument that the traps were already there to catch food. If it supports it (and I believe it will), that totally eliminates their argument in favor of a long time. A lot of work, but not something they can counter.

The Ewok movies gives us another possibility: if you take those into consideration you can argue that those traps may also have been in place to ambush Gorax that are hunting for Ewoks. The Gorax wouldn't likely come around now that the Imperials were there but you might be able to argue that, because of the various walkers around, the Ewoks maintained or possibly even adapted their larger traps.

[Ender]

Right, I gave that some thought about an hour ago- figure out the running speed of the ewoks (can be done, all you need to know is the leg size and it can be calculated, paleontologists do it all the time. Plus those formulas would be usefull for figuring walker top speed). Then go by the time for the reinfocements to show up to get a distance from the ewok camp to the imperial base. Then compare this radius to the total area to the required size of a hunting grounds to supply them with adequate prey (easily figured by looking at the size of the territories needed by predators with similar caloric intakes or primitive tribes). THis can support or refute the argument that the traps were already there to catch food. If it supports it (and I believe it will), that totally eliminates their argument in favor of a long time. A lot of work, but not something they can counter.

The Ewok movies gives us another possibility: if you take those into consideration you can argue that those traps may also have been in place to ambush Gorax that are hunting for Ewoks. The Gorax wouldn't likely come around now that the Imperials were there but you might be able to argue that, because of the various walkers around, the Ewoks maintained or possibly even adapted their larger traps.

The problem is spartan, the ewok movies are EU and thus don't apply under thier standards. You have to draw upon pure canon.

[Darth Wong]

The problem is spartan, the ewok movies are EU and thus don't apply under thier standards. You have to draw upon pure canon.

I see no reason to surrender to their bullshit. Every time they say your argument is false because it draws upon inadmissible evidence, you should just say that their argument is false because it ignores admissible evidence.

[Ender]

The problem is spartan, the ewok movies are EU and thus don't apply under thier standards. You have to draw upon pure canon.

I see no reason to surrender to their bullshit. Every time they say your argument is false because it draws upon inadmissible evidence, you should just say that their argument is false because it ignores admissible evidence.

From what I've seen, it bogs it down, ends up going no where, and lets the more tenacious fool win. I find it far more satisfying to kick the shit out of them once they lay down the rules, it proves who wins beyond a shadow of a doubt to most.

[Darth Fanboy]

On SW Hypderdrive:

Order 66 and Yoda's battle with Palpatine take place on the same day. Bail goes from Kashyyk to Coruscant in back within that same day. Looking at a map of the SW galaxy showing Coruscant in relation to Kashyyk I don't see how anyone could deny that.

[Dakarne]

You forgot to mention Anakin/Obi-Wan's Duel... I'm pretty sure that happened in the same day.

And Luke and Leia's birth.

And Anakin becoming Darth Vader (Black Masked Form)

I'm pretty sure that all hyperspace trips had to have taken around an hour at most in order for that to happen. Any longer, and it would have been too long.

[Ender]

The problem people, is sufficiently proving that to them.

[wilfulton]

The problem people, is sufficiently proving that to them.

You could try beating them over the head with a sack of 100% pure, all-organic fertilizer.

[Darth Fanboy]

The problem people, is sufficiently proving that to them.

So basically what you['re saying is that in order for these people to finally accpe thte truth is for GL to remake every SW movie like it was an episode of 24? Well fuck than then, it isn't worth it.

[Glimmervoid]

The problem people, is sufficiently proving that to them.

You could try beating them over the head with a sack of 100% pure, all-organic fertilizer.

But then you hit the age old problem of “is there continued stupidity the result of not beating then enough or too much”. If you hit then over the head too few times then it will be no good but too many times and the brain damage will make them as bad as ever.

[Ghost Rider]

The problem people, is sufficiently proving that to them.

So basically what you['re saying is that in order for these people to finally accpe thte truth is for GL to remake every SW movie like it was an episode of 24? Well fuck than then, it isn't worth it.

Even then you would run into the inevitable hurdle that since it's not Earth's way of telling time, they would contest that .

[Dakarne]

Even then you would run into the inevitable hurdle that since it's not Earth's way of telling time, they would contest that

That's actually my arguement (sort of)

That Endor might spin a bit faster (making a full day 19-20 hours instead of 24, it's feasable) and therefore, their whole "it took a day" arguement goes down the drain

[Ghost Rider]

Even then you would run into the inevitable hurdle that since it's not Earth's way of telling time, they would contest that

That's actually my arguement (sort of)

That Endor might spin a bit faster (making a full day 19-20 hours instead of 24, it's feasable) and therefore, their whole "it took a day" arguement goes down the drain

Which is a poor position, since all they have to do is ask you to demonstrate how you can back up the idea that Endor has a shorter day.

Simply put it's best to use what Ender suggests and what the movies demonstrate, while it usually does not enter their ignorant heads, simply extrapolating ideas that are not there enters their world of rhetoric and one will lose very quickly.

[Dakarne]

I'm starting to lose my sanity just debating with half of those Idiots... but we have one trump card which has yet to enter the debate

[Plushie]

Even then you would run into the inevitable hurdle that since it's not Earth's way of telling time, they would contest that

That's actually my arguement (sort of)

That Endor might spin a bit faster (making a full day 19-20 hours instead of 24, it's feasable) and therefore, their whole "it took a day" arguement goes down the drain

Which is a poor position, since all they have to do is ask you to demonstrate how you can back up the idea that Endor has a shorter day.

Simply put it's best to use what Ender suggests and what the movies demonstrate, while it usually does not enter their ignorant heads, simply extrapolating ideas that are not there enters their world of rhetoric and one will lose very quickly.

The problem is that it is a completely unsubstantiated statement to say it does have a 24 hour day. In fact, the Earth only has a 24 hour day because of the Moon, something Endor lacks (hell, up until a limited amount of time ago, it was a moon).

We have no idea what the length of the day may be. It may be longer or shorter than 24 hours. We have no idea of its tilt in comparison to Earth's, its distance from its sun (and this is hard to establish because we can't be sure exactly how big the star is), or any other real details.

Not to meniton we also don't know how big the Imperial base is. It could very well be big enough to span the light-dark terminator line enough to have one end be in early evening while another is in night.

[Dakarne]

That's the main problem with SW's lack of Technobabble... or any figures for that matter.

I'd have to say that the only way we'll win is by using at least some parts of the EU

[Ghost Rider]

That's the main problem with SW's lack of Technobabble... or any figures for that matter.

I'd have to say that the only way we'll win is by using at least some parts of the EU

Why?

Most if not all the figures the EU comes up have to go through canon first. Going through EU first then canon second is a fool's quest. EU is meant to SUPPORT canon, nearly everything except a variety of social and cultural aspects are already within the six movies and reinforced throughout the films.

[Dakarne]

Why?

Most if not all the figures the EU comes up have to go through canon first. Going through EU first then canon second is a fool's quest. EU is meant to SUPPORT canon, nearly everything except a variety of social and cultural aspects are already within the six movies and reinforced throughout the films.

I'll manage it somehow at least...

Thanks for the advice.

[Ender]

Even then you would run into the inevitable hurdle that since it's not Earth's way of telling time, they would contest that

That's actually my arguement (sort of)

That Endor might spin a bit faster (making a full day 19-20 hours instead of 24, it's feasable) and therefore, their whole "it took a day" arguement goes down the drain

And the equally valid counterargument is that the opposite is true, an Endorian Day is longer then 24 hours. There is a reason I suggested the route I did.

[Ender]

I'm starting to lose my sanity just debating with half of those Idiots... but we have one trump card which has yet to enter the debate

I realize that this uselesss spam post of yours was nothing but a really, really pathetic attempt at gathering attention upon yourself, but what the fuck, everyone needs a schill in the auidence.

"What is the trump card?"

That's the main problem with SW's lack of Technobabble... or any figures for that matter.

What, getting them to accepts lower limits and basic logical assumptions? Only difficult if you are as dumb as they are. Just justify why you are using those premises and assumptions.

I'd have to say that the only way we'll win is by using at least some parts of the EU

I'd have to say your skill at debating is thus nonexistant.

[Dakarne]

"What is the trump card?"

The direct Base Delta Zero support in the RotS Novel...

Initially, they weren't allowing it, but now it's "directly supported by the Higher Canon"

So yeah, I have actually got a trump card.

I'd have to say your skill at debating is thus nonexistant.

Not really, they just lack the sufficient compromising ability to actually concede their claims, and sometimes make even more ridiculous claims.

[Darth Fanboy]

I'd have to say that the only way we'll win is by using at least some parts of the EU

The debate has already been won, and it wasn't because of ignorant fucktards like you. Rabid Trekkies aren't the the only people who need to refine their debating tactics.

[Dakarne]

The debate has already been won, and it wasn't because of ignorant fucktards like you. Rabid Trekkies aren't the the only people who need to refine their debating tactics.

Ahem... you have a go at me for pointless posts?

Yet waste an entire post on insulting me?

[Darth Fanboy]

The debate has already been won, and it wasn't because of ignorant fucktards like you. Rabid Trekkies aren't the the only people who need to refine their debating tactics.

Ahem... you have a go at me for pointless posts?

Yet waste an entire post on insulting me?

THere was nothing pointless about my post. Here let me highlight the relevant part.

The debate has already been won

After you make claims about the "only way we can win..."

[Dakarne]

If the Debate has already been won, why do they not stop?