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Scientists use plastic to make steel

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Just a little something for the pro-steel lobby. ;)
CNN wrote:Scientists use plastic to make steel

Wednesday, August 10, 2005 Posted: 1522 GMT (2322 HKT)

SYDNEY, Australia (Reuters) -- Australian scientists have developed a technique to use waste plastic in steel making, a process that could have implications for recycling scrap metal that accounts for 40 percent of steel production.

Professor Veena Sahajwalla of the University of New South Wales has won a prestigious Australian science award for what she calls "the hottest research in town", which she hopes will turn an environmental headache into a valuable resource.

Under the process, waste plastics are fed into electric steel-making furnaces as an alternative source of carbon and heated to super-hot temperatures of 1,600 degrees Celsius (2,912 Fahrenheit).

Sahajwalla said many waste plastics, from shopping bags to dishwashing liquid containers and drink bottles, contain high enough levels of carbon to be useful in steelmaking.

Carbon is used to add strength to steel. The higher the carbon content, the stronger but less ductile it is.

"What happens in a steelmaking furnace is that we are melting scrap steel, you can imagine if you've got your old cars and washing machines and so on," Sahajwalla told Reuters.

"The carbon component that's present inside plastic is what we're after and, at those high temperatures, we're able to react it in a way that we're able to use that carbon that's locked in the plastics. Typically you would add coal and coke," she said. Clyde Henderson, of coal industry newsletter Energy Economics, said similar technology using pellets of recycled plastic had been used in firing power stations in Japan.

"I guess it's probably going to be, in terms of proportion of feed for these kinds of plants, a relatively minor kind of thing," Henderson told Reuters.

"I don't think the coal industry would see it as a threat. It's more an environmental angle, I think," he said.

Sahajwalla said her process did not replace all of the coal and coke, but still used a mix of plastic and coal.

Australia is the world's top coal exporter, shipping 122 million tonnes of metallurgical grade coal worth $9 billion ($6.8 billion) last year.

Australians use roughly a million tonnes of plastics a year, much of which ends up as waste destined for landfills.

"If you've got a whole lot of waste plastics that end up in landfill, not just in Australia but across the world, then it's really coming up with alternative technology for its disposal which is environmentally friendly," Sahajwalla said.

Sahajwalla, from the university's School of Materials Science and Engineering, won one of the Australian Museum's Eureka prizes for achievements in science for her work on Tuesday and said she was in talks about industrial applications for her project.

She said PVC was one of few plastics not suitable for the process because of potentially carcinogenic emissions when burnt.
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Sweet.

So, does this mean that all Sci-Fi writers who put "plasteel" into their works were right?
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Erik von Nein wrote:Sweet.

So, does this mean that all Sci-Fi writers who put "plasteel" into their works were right?
The implication here is that the waste plastics can be used as a source of carbon in the production of bog-standard steel, which is entirely distinct from making an entirely new material combining plastics and steel
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The implication here is that the waste plastics can be used as a source of carbon in the production of bog-standard steel, which is entirely distinct from making an entirely new material combining plastics and steel
Ah well... It's science-fiction, so authors should be free to use whatever unobtainium they desire.

However, it's worth noting that they probably call it plastisteel because it resembles plastic, has properties of steel, yet isn't actually a mix of the two.
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Wow, well that's fucking awesome.
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Let me get this straight, we just burn the extra plastic in the furnace? I thought burning plastic produced toxic gases. And some worse then what coal pumps out. And couldn't plastics be recycled into other plastics? I might be a little ignorant but this doesn't seem like a ground breaking idea, just, an idea.
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"And couldn't plastics be recycled into other plastics?"

Some of them cannot be, or at least require huge amounts of power to do so. at least i think
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I realize not all plastics can be recycled. But a majority of them can be. I'm more concerned about the harmful gases you get from burning plastics.
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Guy N. Cognito wrote:Let me get this straight, we just burn the extra plastic in the furnace? I thought burning plastic produced toxic gases.
Depends on which kind you're dealing with. As the article states, not all types of plastic are usable in this way.
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Let me get this straight, we just burn the extra plastic in the furnace? I thought burning plastic produced toxic gases.
Only when not burned to completion. PVC is notorious for giving off dioxin, however if you burn PVC in a sealed bomb for long enough at high enough temperatures the worst thing to come off is HCl. 1600 is really friggen hot, very few plastic fires ever get to this temperature.
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