"Religious" experiences you've had that are unprov

[Rye]

Sure. These aren't fantastic or full of aliens, ghosts or whatever, but I can guarantee you I believe they're true.

Okay, number 1, this is rather odd even for a paranormal claim, but here you go. When I was in year 6 of primary schoo,, that's the last year of primary school, I must've been 11 or 12...that's 8 or 9 years ago, now, I was bored of doing whatever we were studying, so I dangled my pencilcase over the edge of the table, to make it look like it'd slipped off and I'd just caught it. Don't ask me why I was doing thing, it was just what passed for entertainment at the time.

Anyway, I pull it up and make it look like I'm wrestling with something unseen for it. This isn't terribly funny, so it only lasts for a few moments, so I start to pull it back up onto the desk, but it won't come. I think it's gotten snagged on something, so I don't pull it too hard in case it rips.

I move to peer over the edge of the table to check if it's snagged and to see if I can dislodge it, but I can't see it stuck on anything, so I pull it and it starts to come up. Then it contorts like someone grabbed it at the other end and starts to be pulled downward more forcefully. My brain becomes alarmed, since I can see there is no one on the other end of it.

The pencil case is being pulled away from me by what feels like a grown man's strength, you know an adult's pulling strength when you're that age. My fingertips are hurting I'm holding on that hard, and the pencilcase is visibly contorted. Then, it's gradually releasedand I pull it back to my chest, staring at the end of the table. I check underneath to see if there was anyone there, but there wasn't. I checked the pencil case to see if it had snagged on anything, and checked the other side of the table. There weren't any staples or anything it could've snagged on. Fucking weird. Still weirded out by that one.

The second one concerns precog or waking dreams or intuition or something.

This one happened in either Year 9 or 8 of secondary school (I was in the same form room for both of those years), and my form room was right at the top of our school, in the technology block, also known as D block (all the room numbers were marked with a D). Now, the School is set on a hill, with D block and the sixth form block (years 12+13) at the top, then other blocks all the way down to the school drive. If you google for rivington and blackrod high school, you might be able to find photographs showing the general layout.

Aaanyway, as I was saying, it's on a hill with D Block at the top. C Block is I would say about 2 stories beneath D Block, and in front of it. Underneath the classrooms in D block, there's a boiler room, I believe, which takes up most of that space. So anyway, there's 3 flights of quite unsafe steps that lead down from D block to this sort of courtyard outside some of the science rooms.

I was walking towards the top flight of steps from D Block and about 3 meters or so from them, it's like I have a vision or waking dream or something. My mind was elsewhere and I wasn't really paying attention, like I was on autopilot. Anyway, I "dream" that I'm at the top of the steps (as sometimes happens when you're not paying attention, you'll just suddenly notice when you're at a hazardous bit) and I slip or skid from one of the top steps, fall awkwardly, and break my ankle. Now, I'm walking towards the top of the steps again like I've just done, and I slip in the exact same place as I just did, but this time, I'm ready for how I fall. I shift my weight and I sort of "surfed" down the tips of half the steps and grab a rail. I lean against the rail and just sort of shudder.

That is not something I could've done if I'd tried, either then or now. It was pure luck or something. Fucking weird. I've not really had anything like that before or since, so it's really stuck in my mind.

[Aaron]

When I was being electrocuted in '99 and in the process of dying I saw my Grandfather who had died 20 years prior to me. He was standing shilouted to me and I could see his fedora, thats how I knew it was him. Never met a man with one in my life other than him. He disappeared when I was resusscittated. I have never recieved a satisfactory explaination for what I saw. I believe that he was there to see if I was ok or to send me back as it wasn't my time so to speak.

And no I'm not a Christian so don't bother to flame me for that. I have a mishmash of beliefs that I call my own of which this incident fits nicely into. And no a "God" doesn't fit into it.

[Magnetic]

Thank you, Kendall and Rye. Those were three very interesting stories!

So, Rye, on your second story, what I hear you saying is that you had a waking dream that you slipped on the step, breaking your ankle, then came back into reality, and actually slipped on that step, and remembering what you had previously experienced, you kept yourself safe?


Okay guys/gals, more stories if you got them!

[Lagmonster]

Anyone else care to chime in on an experience?

If you don't want to give it on this thread and would not be opposed to PM-ing it to me, then that would work as well.

Are you just collecting spooky stories, or are you trying to prove a personal hypothesis?

I imagine I could tell you stories of things going bump in the night until you hide under the blanket, but that doesn't mean that anything I say on the subject contains any manner of truth besides that I was there.

[Magnetic]

Anyone else care to chime in on an experience?

If you don't want to give it on this thread and would not be opposed to PM-ing it to me, then that would work as well.

Are you just collecting spooky stories, or are you trying to prove a personal hypothesis?

I imagine I could tell you stories of things going bump in the night until you hide under the blanket, but that doesn't mean that anything I say on the subject contains any manner of truth besides that I was there.

Yes, a personal hypothesis, not really 'spooky stories'. I'm on a 'spiritual journey' of sorts and am interested in these, specifically in the inability to qualify them as a natural process.

[Lagmonster]

Yes, a personal hypothesis, not really 'spooky stories'. I'm on a 'spiritual journey' of sorts and am interested in these, specifically in the inability to qualify them as a natural process.

You won't find any, not that I want to shatter your hopes. Oh, you'll find things that we will be unable to explain, but that inability stems from a lack of effort or remaining evidence, not from a particular insolvability thanks to supernatural powers.

What you WILL find, if I've learned anything, are things or stories which you will fit to whatever spiritual or supernatural framework you already have in your mind. Which is why devout Christians only see Jesus in their visions, but devout Hindus only see one of their gods, and why there are things like the Tuscon lights, which some people claimed were UFOs, and which other people argued were ghostly spooks.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Anyone else care to chime in on an experience?

If you don't want to give it on this thread and would not be opposed to PM-ing it to me, then that would work as well.

Are you just collecting spooky stories, or are you trying to prove a personal hypothesis?

I imagine I could tell you stories of things going bump in the night until you hide under the blanket, but that doesn't mean that anything I say on the subject contains any manner of truth besides that I was there.

Yes, a personal hypothesis, not really 'spooky stories'. I'm on a 'spiritual journey' of sorts and am interested in these, specifically in the inability to qualify them as a natural process.

I agree with Lagmonster. I believe I, and others, have posited a fair explanation of how most any "miraculous" phenomena can be explained in a rational, logically consistent fashion. Usually any failure to properly attribute natural or reasonable explanations to a phenomena comes from a combination of unintentionally, or deliberately imperfect recall on the part of eyewitnesses, a failure to consider or collect evidence of the natural mechanisms behind the phenomena, or a fraudulent, speculative, and possibly invented or greatly exaggerated account of the aforementioned phenomena.

[Xon]

I always get a laugh that deep "religious" experiences can be triggered by running a current from a probe into the brain at given points.

Also gets caused be certain sorts of brain disorders.

[sketerpot]

I always get a laugh that deep "religious" experiences can be triggered by running a current from a probe into the brain at given points.

I always get a laugh when people try to use that as evidence that God designed us to better experience Him.

[Xon]

I always get a laugh when people try to use that as evidence that God designed us to better experience Him.

That is just wrong.

[HemlockGrey]

I have an experience with reincarnation. In my last life, I was a slave, but it's not something I'd prefer to go into details about. It wasn't a very good experience, so fuck off if you're going to be the kind of ass hole to tell me that it never happened... it's a bit of a touchy subject, and besides, the thread title says experiences that are unprovable.

You are a fucking lunatic. Now go get me some grapes before I whip your ass.

[outcast]

the human brain is an absolutely weird and utterly fallible piece of machinery. *every* person, no matter how healthy and sane they are, from time to time experiences some form of hallucination. knowing this, you should realize that if you ever experienced something that the laws of physics and general common knowledge tells you is impossible, chances are you imagined it.

and don't give me that crap about "i know what i saw", because the whole point of my argument is that you *don't* know what you saw. you are a piss poorly constructed piece of organic goo, neurons firing randomly, and you think you can say with any degree of accuracy what you experienced was real?

i think not.

that ladies and gentlemen, is why i never take weird claims seriously.