Dirge of Cerberus: FF VII prequel

Tokaji Kyoden · Post by **Tokaji Kyoden** » 2005-08-11 01:12pm

I've just gotten wind of a supposed PS2/PS3 game that is going to be a prequel to Final Fantasy VII. It's called Dirge of Cerberus, and as far as I can see, you are going to be playing as Vincent as the main character this time. It looks like a pretty cool game so far, and I'm very interested to see what it's going to be like.

http://www.ff7dc.net/

McNum · Post by **McNum** » 2005-08-11 02:09pm

Not Prequel, sequel.

The FF7 timeline is going to be:
Before Crisis -> FF7 -> Advent Children -> Dirge of Cerberus

But yeah, it does look interesting, if nothing else they show they actually have PS2 quality models of the FF7 characters. And Vincent does deserve a little more screen time.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-08-11 02:18pm

This has been in the news for almost a year now. So you're a wee bit behind the times.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-08-11 03:50pm

Well it's news to me and I love FFVII, can't wait for the DVD of the feature film as it is, letalone some continuation in game form (albeit, without chibi characters and with voices to ruin my original ideas).

Tokaji Kyoden · Post by **Tokaji Kyoden** » 2005-08-11 05:13pm

Yeah, Advent Children I heard awhile ago, but I'd only heard of Dirge and BC just a little bit ago. They look amazing, and I can't wait to play/watch them.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-08-11 11:32pm

Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-08-11 11:33pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?

Because those who recignize 6 as the greatest ever aren't ridiculous fanboys.

I don't mean to imply all 7 fans are ridiculous or fanboys, but there's a huge contingent of them, yet few for six. So. No movie.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-08-11 11:36pm

SirNitram wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?
Because those who recignize 6 as the greatest ever aren't ridiculous fanboys.

I don't mean to imply all 7 fans are ridiculous or fanboys, but there's a huge contingent of them, yet few for six. So. No movie.

Oh, we're fanboys...

Damn proud of it too! FF7 forever!!!!!

* I never found Vincent to be that important of a character. I think that may hurt the sales.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2005-08-11 11:42pm

SirNitram wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?
Because those who recignize 6 as the greatest ever aren't ridiculous fanboys.

I don't mean to imply all 7 fans are ridiculous or fanboys, but there's a huge contingent of them, yet few for six. So. No movie.

It might also have something to do with the fact that 6 was a 2-D game. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the fanboys are the main reason, but I'm sure it was easier to refine the already 3-D models than to take the pixellated sprites from six and make them 3-D characters.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-08-12 12:35am

Trogdor wrote:It might also have something to do with the fact that 6 was a 2-D game. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the fanboys are the main reason, but I'm sure it was easier to refine the already 3-D models than to take the pixellated sprites from six and make them 3-D characters.

Eh... each character had a detailed portrait very much at odds with the comical-looking game avatar.

I also feel compelled to mention the fact that 6, and not any other in the series, received the attention of Jeremy Soule, who did a full orchestral fan variation on Terra's theme.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-08-12 12:42am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?

FFVII sold a lot more copies than FFVI and is a much stronger intellectual property (especially in the U.S.).

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-08-12 07:50am

It was also my first outing into the FF universe, or any RPG for that matter. And I have to say that I never collected Vincent either, I always went for Yuffie because a) she has a cool weapon, b) she is kawaii.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-08-12 12:05pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?

FF6 didn't get the same kind of "deep play" attention in Japan that some of the other games did.

In Japan, FFV was actually a bit more popular (And this is why that one did get a continuation, the first FF anime)

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-08-12 12:09pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:(albeit, without chibi characters and with voices to ruin my original ideas).

Some of them are already voiced anyway. The Japanese version of Advent Children is using the same voices for Cloud, Aerith, and Yuffie as Kingdom Hearts. (whether a dubbed version would do the same is unknown)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-08-12 12:15pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:It was also my first outing into the FF universe, or any RPG for that matter. And I have to say that I never collected Vincent either, I always went for Yuffie because a) she has a cool weapon, b) she is kawaii.

You can get both...

I always found Vincent to be overrated anyway, but it really doesn't matter which characters you use as long as you have the right materia, which is FFVII's weakness.

Tokaji Kyoden · Post by **Tokaji Kyoden** » 2005-08-12 12:37pm

Why can't Final Fantasy 6 get this kind of treatment?

For most other people have posted, plus, I think, because it was the first FF on the playstation, which made it that much more versatile with it's options for the next gen systems.

I always found Vincent to be overrated anyway, but it really doesn't matter which characters you use as long as you have the right materia, which is FFVII's weakness.

This is true, but there were still some parts of FFVII that were damn hard, the Weapons for example. I've always seen FFVII as a game that was there a little bit more for the story than the gameplay. It probably has one of the most touching and heart wrenching stories out there for a game, even now. There's another good reason to mae sequels and stuff.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-08-12 06:28pm

Trogdor wrote:It might also have something to do with the fact that 6 was a 2-D game. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the fanboys are the main reason, but I'm sure it was easier to refine the already 3-D models than to take the pixellated sprites from six and make them 3-D characters.

Didn't they do some FMV scenes for them though in the rerelease to the PS1?

I think Vincent might get the attention because he has that whole "I'm a fuckin' bad ass" thing. I wouldn't mind him getting a prequel though, since he has the Turk/Lucretia thing that you only really get a hint at.

And what is this "Before Crisis" thing?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2005-08-12 06:43pm

FF6 will always be the better game for me.

As far as story goes...
How many games do the Bad Guys win? Or at the very least the good guys achieve a phyrric victory at best.
There is no happy ending at the end of FF6, the bad guy is dead true, but the world is dieing, people have been lost, thousands in some cases, and monster roam the lands even more powerful than the ones before.

The only thing at the end of FF6 you get is the fact that at least you got the finaly got that bastard Kefka

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-08-12 06:49pm

Mr Bean wrote:FF6 will always be the better game for me.

As far as story goes...
How many games do the Bad Guys win? Or at the very least the good guys achieve a phyrric victory at best.
There is no happy ending at the end of FF6, the bad guy is dead true, but the world is dieing, people have been lost, thousands in some cases, and monster roam the lands even more powerful than the ones before.

The only thing at the end of FF6 you get is the fact that at least you got the finaly got that bastard Kefka

Which is a tragedy in itself. He had the best laugh ever.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-08-12 08:58pm

RogueIce wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:FF6 will always be the better game for me.

As far as story goes...
How many games do the Bad Guys win? Or at the very least the good guys achieve a phyrric victory at best.
There is no happy ending at the end of FF6, the bad guy is dead true, but the world is dieing, people have been lost, thousands in some cases, and monster roam the lands even more powerful than the ones before.

The only thing at the end of FF6 you get is the fact that at least you got the finaly got that bastard Kefka
Which is a tragedy in itself. He had the best laugh ever.

Tokaji Kyoden · Post by **Tokaji Kyoden** » 2005-08-13 01:05am

I think Vincent might get the attention because he has that whole "I'm a fuckin' bad ass" thing. I wouldn't mind him getting a prequel though, since he has the Turk/Lucretia thing that you only really get a hint at.

And what is this "Before Crisis" thing?

Dirge is going to be a sequel, that Vincent is going to be the main player in. Before Crisis is going to be the prequel that's supposed to be set 5 years before the big wars started.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-08-13 12:00pm

RogueIce wrote:And what is this "Before Crisis" thing?

It's a prequel due to be released in 2006 for mobile phones. There's some online component (character data is stored on a central server), it makes use of things like handset cameras (you create materia by taking pictures, and the colour combination in the picture determines what kind of materia you get).

It's set six years before the game, and is basically the story of how ShinRa take over Midgar. There are at least four playable characters, Reno, Elena, and two other unknowns, though more may well be added.

Chances are, you'll need a fairly shiny handset in order to play it.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-08-13 06:25pm

Vendetta wrote:
RogueIce wrote:And what is this "Before Crisis" thing?
It's a prequel due to be released in 2006 for mobile phones. There's some online component (character data is stored on a central server), it makes use of things like handset cameras (you create materia by taking pictures, and the colour combination in the picture determines what kind of materia you get).

It's set six years before the game, and is basically the story of how ShinRa take over Midgar. There are at least four playable characters, Reno, Elena, and two other unknowns, though more may well be added.

Chances are, you'll need a fairly shiny handset in order to play it.

That sucks. Although I suppose it's probably cheaper to do it this way, playing on a mobile phone is going to blow, unless you have one with some supersized screen.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-08-13 07:19pm

Mr Bean wrote:FF6 will always be the better game for me.

As far as story goes...
How many games do the Bad Guys win? Or at the very least the good guys achieve a phyrric victory at best.
There is no happy ending at the end of FF6, the bad guy is dead true, but the world is dieing, people have been lost, thousands in some cases, and monster roam the lands even more powerful than the ones before.

The only thing at the end of FF6 you get is the fact that at least you got the finaly got that bastard Kefka

The impression I got at the end of FF6 was that now, with Kefka dead, things would finally start to recover. I seem to recall some scenes in the ending montage to that effect, but I can't remember any specifics at the moment.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-08-13 08:07pm

Ya know, I'd really like a true sequel to Chrono Trigger.

Not that I don't like the small part of FFVII that I've played...