SDF-1 vs. ISD MK II (no fighter support)

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-26 08:06pm

Who would win in a ship to ship fight.

The SDF-1 Macross or an ISD MKII (no sith on board)

No fighter support for both ships.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-26 08:27pm

*Scratch's Head, I don't know anything about the SDF-1's Shielding, Weapons range, Particular subsystems so no idea

ISD sports a minium of a 2 Teraton Broadside an a Max of roughly 2.5 Petatons in a board side

Nasty firepower there, Minium of 40 Teratons of Shielding and moves at high fractions of C (IE .1-.9 possible, .1 definate)

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 08:28pm

guyver wrote:Who would win in a ship to ship fight.

The SDF-1 Macross or an ISD MKII (no sith on board)

No fighter support for both ships.

What are the guns and shielding for SDF?

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-26 08:35pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:
guyver wrote:Who would win in a ship to ship fight.

The SDF-1 Macross or an ISD MKII (no sith on board)

No fighter support for both ships.
What are the guns and shielding for SDF?

Well I found this website which has stats for Robotech ships:

http://www.3dgamedev.com/robotech/robotech.html

As for the fire power of the SDF1 it shows that the ship has:

Mk.1 Reflex cannon (Makral Ever 248) 1 : This weapon forms the forward part of the ship. The two forward booms slide and rotate to the side, and a particle beam generation then takes place between the two booms. This weapon is the most modern, smallest and most powerful of the larger Reflex cannon.
The effects of this weapon against planets are equal to the heat and blast effects of the detonation of a fusion weapon of 65 megatons, if fired at full power.
If utilized against starships, the largest vessels can be destroyed by the leakage of the beam. A direct hit will vaporize the target vessel. The weapon can also be set to a wider dispersal. While not nearly as effective as a tight beam against warships, it is capable of clearing a wide area of fighters and other mecha.

Mk.1 particle cannon (Makral Deim 773) 8 : As the Reflex cannon cannot be fired fast enough to be effective against multiple heavy opponents, the main anti-ship weapons are 8 heavy particle cannon. They are built as a large turret with two barrels projecting from the front, but as with the Reflex cannon and the smaller Zentraedi cannons, the beam is generated between the barrels. Eight of these weapons are mounted on the ship: one on the side and on the dorsal of each cannon boom, one on the dorsal of each leg, and one on the forward dorsal and ventral side of the main hull. As with many other Tirolian designed ships, the aft ventral segment lacked heavy firepower. The power supply to these cannons is a new design, and incorporates an accumulation system that can store sufficient power for 8 full power salvos. The accumulators can replenish at effectively six full power salvos per minute. The beam has an effective range of 300,000 km and a full power discharge of 2.5 terajoules, equivalent to 500 tons of TNT. Although the cannon could be fired at lower power settings (and commensurate increases in the rate of fire) the highest power setting was typical in combat.

Mk.2 particle cannon (Makral Deim 869) 1 : The Macross-class mounted an unique weapon on the extreme forward edge of the center hull. This weapon was a three barreled particle beam weapon with half the yield of the larger beams, but no less than three times the rate-of-fire. This weapon, which Tirolian Scientist Triumvirates hoped would replace the Mk.1 particle cannon one day, was to be field-tested on the Macross class prototypes prior to series production. However, the general stagnation of the Robotech Empire caused the project to be abandoned.
The Mk.2 particle cannon had an effective range of 300,000 km, a full power discharge of 1.25 terajoules and, while using an accumulation system in its power supply like the Mk.1 cannons, could recharge for 12 full power salvo's per minute due to improvements in beam generation and accumulator efficiency.
The refit SDF-1 never got the chance to field-test the weapon, as the cannon was destroyed during a battle with the Zentraedi near Pluto's orbit. The internals were then replaced with those of a triple-tubed, turreted torpedo launcher.

The SDF-2 mounted a standard Mk.1 particle cannon in this position.
Mk.1 heavy railgun (Gluph Tacim 56) (4) : Mass driver cannons in single turrets are mounted on the shoulders. The cannons can accelerate a 225 kg projectile to velocities approaching 140 kps. The ammunition supply for each cannon is 3,000 projectiles. The turrets can rotate in the horizontal plane through 200 degrees (140 for a Terran ship with attached carriers), and elevate 15 degrees upward. Combined with the capacity for 360 degree rotation at the shoulder joint, these weapons can be unmasked on all possible target bearings. The impact energy of one projectile is 2.2 TJ (0.44 kT), and the rate of fire is 40 shots per minute.
The available ammunition consists of KCP Kinetic Core Penetrating (hull penetration rounds), KPI Kinetic Penetrating Incendiary (plasma incendiary rounds) and MKEP Multiple Kinetic Energy Penetrator (flechette cluster rounds), the latter as anti-mecha formation weapons.
This cannon was intended to be used as a possible complement to the heavy beam weapons, but the designers turned it into an area-defense weapon against mecha as well, though it is not as effective as a main gun salvo set on wide dispersal. In addition, this accurate weapon can also be used in pin-point attacks against ground targets, though only with KCP rounds as the KPI and MKEP rounds burn up on atmospheric re-entry.
Mk.3 particle cannon (Makral Mossil 996-3) (16) : Turrets with effectively three Zentraedi standard particle beam cannons each. Two are on each of the ventral hips, one on each of the dorsal legs, dorsal and ventral center body and the upper dorsal shoulders, four are mounted on the shoulders proper and two are mounted forward of the side-mounted large particle beams on the cannon booms. Each barrel can fire 3,000 MJ of particle energy every 5 seconds, or less powerful discharges at a higher rate of fire.
The effective range is 300,000 km.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 08:37pm

I don't think SDF weaponry can compare to ISD weaponry.

Reflex cannon vs. quad HTL? Quad HTL wins.

What special abilities does it have?

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-26 08:44pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:I don't think SDF weaponry can compare to ISD weaponry.

Reflex cannon vs. quad HTL? Quad HTL wins.

What special abilities does it have?

Well as I am typing this I am watching the show on DVD. The main guns look like the can destroy 2 enemy ships with one shot. Granted that the ISD could do that with a broad side from its guns.

I think it would be a good fight. The final outcome might come down to which ship can take the most pounding. The ISD is bigger, but not that much bigger.

ISD=1600 M
SDF=1200 M

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-11-26 08:56pm

ARRRRRG!!! Don't use the RRG its mostly fan made shit! Fucking Robotechies...

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-11-26 09:19pm

Damn and the real stats have no numbers either. Well I guess you're out of luck. Arguing animation is a real bitch.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 09:26pm

VF5SS wrote:Damn and the real stats have no numbers either. Well I guess you're out of luck. Arguing animation is a real bitch.

Especially MSG. We see them to some crazy shit but the numbers don't match up at all.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-11-26 09:41pm

Anything animated really. There;s a hundred times the inconsistensies and science goofs. Dispite what the creators may intend, sometimes it gets lost at a Korean studio.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-11-26 09:42pm

Being a HUGE Macross fan (the orginal Japanese series, not the bastardized version Robo-dreck), and having watched the original series, movies, and sequels.......I have to admit the SDF-1 aka Macross is quite outgunned in this one.

SW weaponry is just too powerful.

But...VF-1 Valkyries are cooler looking than TIES! *Runs out of room before being beaten!*

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 09:44pm

Damaramu wrote:Being a HUGE Macross fan (the orginal Japanese series, not the bastardized version Robo-dreck), and having watched the original series, movies, and sequels.......I have to admit the SDF-1 aka Macross is quite outgunned in this one.

SW weaponry is just too powerful.

But...VF-1 Valkyries are cooler looking than TIES! *Runs out of room before being beaten!*

*Grabs Damaramu*

Bull Shit. I think VF1s look cooler too. Actually, everything looks better than a TIE.

And why'd you change your AV?

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-11-26 09:47pm

Heh, cool! A fellow Valkyrie fan!

Why'd I change my avatar? I dunno...I've had my old one since I signed on......just needed a little change I guess.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 09:51pm

Damaramu wrote:Heh, cool! A fellow Valkyrie fan!

Why'd I change my avatar? I dunno...I've had my old one since I signed on......just needed a little change I guess.

No, I'm not a Valkyrie fan.

But I have seen them and I do think they look hella cooler than TIEs.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-11-26 09:55pm

Ahhh.....that's what I get for assuming!

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-26 09:55pm

Damaramu wrote:Ahhh.....that's what I get for assuming!

I heard somewhere...

When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME!
No offense, do0d.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-11-26 10:01pm

lol, none taken. An old boss used to say that all the time...heh

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-11-26 10:53pm

No, I'm not a Valkyrie fan.

But I have seen them and I do think they look hella cooler than TIEs.

I am not either but they and their desecendents are sure cool.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-26 10:54pm

Like so many others to face it, the SDF-1 is reduced to drifting plasma and derbies by the Imperators opening salvo.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-26 10:59pm

Liked the valkyries...like both of the series...though prefer Macross more so.

As for the battle...all stats aside the SDF-1 just doesn't have enough staying power and we have no real way of gauging the main cannon given that in one scene it reduces ships to nothing in it's wake, yet in the final episode can't kill a ship point blank.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2002-11-26 11:07pm

Yup. Without hard data, it's just not possible to compare......

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-27 12:51pm

Damaramu wrote:Yup. Without hard data, it's just not possible to compare......

Well it looks like the SDF-1 will not make it. ISD MKII blows it to hell

'boom'

dam and I thought it might have had a chance........to at least weaken the shields

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-11-27 03:38pm

It will certainly make a better fight than a GCS.
Oh and TIE Fighters rock!!!

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-11-27 04:28pm

First off.... those calcs on a main gun are bull-shit. They were made for a fanfic origanally. Robotech tech files.... I can really hate you sometimes. Only calc we have on it puts its firepower in the 1.2 gt low end... possible going as high as the TT range. SSD still wins but please never use that description in a debate again.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-11-27 08:25pm

The SDF-1 has no shielding system. One hit from a heavy turbolaser battery would vaporize it. Then the ISD would happily proceed to conduct a Base Delta Zero on Earth.

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