Cylon Witch Hunt

[InnocentBystander]

After six's last speech to Baltar, I'm really starting to rethink my previous who is a Cylon theories. So, say who you think are cylons.

Lt. Gaeta - High Probability, he screwed up the jump, he let the ship's computer get infected.
Baltar - Very High Probability, he gets more and more like a cylon every day.
Zarek's new Pal - Just gives me that vibe.
Ellen Tigh - She's been manipulating Tigh from day one, she's a Cylon, or just a bitch who needs a good hole in the head.
Petty Officer D - The scene where she was talking to Adama while he was doing his boat thing gave me the toaster vibe. Just a bit though.

Those are mine, I know there are 8, but those are the only ones I can think of.

[Knife]

The use of a Cylon Witch hunt is better used to give tension with the characters. If any of it becomes true, it'll jump the shark with me.

It'll get to the point where everyones a damn Cylon, so whats the whole point in the show?

[el blanco]

After six's last speech to Baltar, I'm really starting to rethink my previous who is a Cylon theories. So, say who you think are cylons.

Lt. Gaeta - High Probability, he screwed up the jump, he let the ship's computer get infected.

He didn't screw up the jump. It was a pretty reasonable explanation. Tigh was just as much at fault. Possible though.

Baltar - Very High Probability, he gets more and more like a cylon every day.

So, I'm not the only crazy one here. When it turns out to be him, I hope I get props for calling it.

Zarek's new Pal - Just gives me that vibe.

Creepy, yes. But I don't think so.

Ellen Tigh - She's been manipulating Tigh from day one, she's a Cylon, or just a bitch who needs a good hole in the head.

The latter

Petty Officer D - The scene where she was talking to Adama while he was doing his boat thing gave me the toaster vibe. Just a bit though.

Didn't feel it, but it is possible.


As I said in another thread, I figure there is still one more main charecter and atleast one more second stringer that are toasters in disguise.

[Noble Ire]

I've never really thought Lt. Gaeta was a cylon. Sure, he has acted somewhat suspiciously, but his various actions could simply attributed to stress, or confused orders. Besides, it seems he is being made out to look a cylon, which means he probably isnt. Or something like that...

I agree with Knife though, any more than one or two crewmen being revealed as Cylons will seriously derail the show.

[InnocentBystander]

The use of a Cylon Witch hunt is better used to give tension with the characters. If any of it becomes true, it'll jump the shark with me.

It'll get to the point where everyones a damn Cylon, so whats the whole point in the show?

I think it's one of the show's great features! It's written well enough so we are never sure who is, or isn't a Cylon.
Come on, I'm sure you think at least one person in the cast is a Cylon. We're just playing "Guess the Toaster", not "OMG ALL ARE CYLONS, RAR", heh.

[Sidewinder]

I haven't seen the new BSG yet, but from your description, it seems to be turning into John Carpenter's 'The Thing'. Hopefully, they won't overdo this "witch hunt" to the point where I won't be surprised if someone's decapitated head sprouts spider's legs and walks around upside down.

[Knife]

The use of a Cylon Witch hunt is better used to give tension with the characters. If any of it becomes true, it'll jump the shark with me.

It'll get to the point where everyones a damn Cylon, so whats the whole point in the show?

I think it's one of the show's great features! It's written well enough so we are never sure who is, or isn't a Cylon.
Come on, I'm sure you think at least one person in the cast is a Cylon. We're just playing "Guess the Toaster", not "OMG ALL ARE CYLONS, RAR", heh.

I'd rather see someone get accused, tried, and executed for being a Cylon and have it turn out they weren't; than see one of the major or even secondard characters actually be a Cylon.

They played that card with Boomer, re-doing it is cheap and silly.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Gaeta shook hands (supposedly) with Boomer right before she shot Adama.

That's a big red warning light for me.

I don't think Dee is a Cylon, nor Gaius (how could he be, if he's supposed to be part of the shape of things to come?) nor Ellen (because it's too obvious if she was).

[Thag]

It wouldn't be quite the same as with Boomer. The thing there is, we pretty much knew she was a Cylon from the start, so the revelation on the part of the cast wasn't anything big. They can probaly get away with one more main character being a Cylon without too much disruption.

As for the death of a wrongly accused, Chief Tyrol still seems like a promising candidate.

[UCBooties]

The other part of Gaeta seeming like a Cylon is that he is a peripheral charecter, yet always very visible, always right there when something is happening, always hovering just on the edge, watching. Usualy with a bit of a smirk. If you're going to shoot someone in the third act, make sure there is a gun on the wall in the first. Gaeta's been there the whole time, always very visible, but never very important. Perhaps it is simply a function of his charecter's rank and position, but it always seems a bit too much like he's lurking and waiting for somthing.

[Thirdfain]

More to the point, do you all remember the episode when Six appeared and pointed to Baltar as a traitor? Gaeta is the one assigned to examine the evidence. Baltar winds up being forced into doing what Six wants, and then, surprise surprise, Gaeta "suddenly" realises the evidence is fake. It smells. It smells bad.

[UCBooties]

That's right! I had forgotten that. Yet another example of Gaeta being right there, even outright involved, whenever something weird goes down with the Cylons. Either he is, and we all get to feel realy vindicated, or he isn't so we can all be totaly blindsided when it turns out to be... I dunno... the kid who was tagging along with Staruck last season, or someone else as unlikely.

[frogcurry]

Gaeta shook hands (supposedly) with Boomer right before she shot Adama.

That's a big red warning light for me.

I don't think Dee is a Cylon, nor Gaius (how could he be, if he's supposed to be part of the shape of things to come?) nor Ellen (because it's too obvious if she was).

Are you thinking that he was the activator of Boomers Cylon action, that it was his shaking hands that did it?

Because thats the only reason I can imagine that getting a red light. A lot of people were shaking boomers hand , she was a hero at that point remember?

He hasn't really done anything particularly Cylon-y that I can see. The Cylon agents seem to be either very subtle (to the point of being oblivious to their own actions in Boomers case) or very open about their identity to get a particular effect. He doesn't fit into either category that I can see.

Personally I say Starbuck for a surprise Cylon... hence her getting the Cylon fighter to work. The only other person who had a connection with it was.... Boomer. Enough said.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Gaeta shook hands (supposedly) with Boomer right before she shot Adama.

That's a big red warning light for me.

I don't think Dee is a Cylon, nor Gaius (how could he be, if he's supposed to be part of the shape of things to come?) nor Ellen (because it's too obvious if she was).

Are you thinking that he was the activator of Boomers Cylon action, that it was his shaking hands that did it?

Because thats the only reason I can imagine that getting a red light. A lot of people were shaking boomers hand , she was a hero at that point remember?

I don't remember seeing anyone else shake her hand. But Gaeta shook her hand right before she shot Adama, and the gun she shot him with was not the one that's regular-issue for the pilots.

He hasn't really done anything particularly Cylon-y that I can see. The Cylon agents seem to be either very subtle (to the point of being oblivious to their own actions in Boomers case) or very open about their identity to get a particular effect. He doesn't fit into either category that I can see.

He's quite oblivious. Plotting the wrong (or right) courses quite often... and as was said, he's always hanging around, listening in.

Personally I say Starbuck for a surprise Cylon... hence her getting the Cylon fighter to work. The only other person who had a connection with it was.... Boomer. Enough said.

Why would they be doing operations and shit on her, then?

[xerex]

Personally I say Starbuck for a surprise Cylon... hence her getting the Cylon fighter to work. The only other person who had a connection with it was.... Boomer. Enough said.

Why would they be doing operations and shit on her, then?

hmmm interesting thought. while I agree that the obvious is probably true (that they were testing her ovaries for compatability) we DONT actually know that it was HER ovaries they we testing. Didnt they just mention "the subject" ? it may not have been her they were discussing. maybe they were going to have her carry a cylon-human hybrid but she would be providing the cylon element.

man conspiracy theories are fun.


meanwhile lets just list the cylon's we know

1.Boomer
2.Six
3.Leoben Conoy aka the smuggler from the mini
4.Aaron Doral aka the tour guide accused by balter of being a cylon.
5.the Doctor from the farm (was his name given?)
6. from the spoilers there's another new cylon that will be revealed.

that leaves six more.

[DPDarkPrimus]

The doctor's name is Simon.

[frogcurry]

I don't remember seeing anyone else shake her hand. But Gaeta shook her hand right before she shot Adama, and the gun she shot him with was not the one that's regular-issue for the pilots.


Personally I say Starbuck for a surprise Cylon... hence her getting the Cylon fighter to work. The only other person who had a connection with it was.... Boomer. Enough said.

Why would they be doing operations and shit on her, then?

1) I don't specifically recall see anyone else shaking her hand either actually, but Boomer was being congratulated by others before that and someone either pats her back or shakes her hand before him, its not that unusual.
I'll check the gun and hand shaky thing in a short while, see if you are right. I didn't see any difference between the suicide attempt gun and that one.
2) Operations and s***? That would be...something that occurs after the last episode I've seen to date then and I can't accurately comment on something I've no knowledge of. Although you've buggered up my thoughts a bit now.

Other reasons I suspect Starbuck - Primarily, the Cylon infiltrator who said he had a nuke, remember what he knew about her past? All sorts of strange crap, how and why would he know all that?

And Six found Starbuck interesting...although that might relate to something else.

Also she is somewhat religious - the only other people I can think of who are openly religious is the President, her priestess friend...and the Cylons. And the humans in that list are recent converts (the priestess said "you've made a believer of me" suggesting she wasn't really devout at all before she met the President). Although this is a bit of a minor thing.

[HemlockGrey]

So there are 12 Cylon models. 8 on the fleet. Of those models, 7 have been identified (Six, Airlock Guy, Tourist Guide, Boomer, Black Guy). So the obvious conclusion is that one of the Cylons aboard the fleet is Black Guy.

Well, as far as Cylons are concerned we can rule out anyone who has an established history. That excludes Tigh, Adama, Zareck, and Lee. Probably Roslyn and Baltar as well (not to mention how stupid it would be if Baltar was a Cylon). We know Starbuck and Helo cannot be Cylons, due to Starbuck's internment in the hospital, and also Caprica Boomer would have known if Helo was a Cylon. It is extremely unlikely that D, Billy, Cally, or Chief are Cylons. I'd also exclude Tigh's wife, since we have no evidence that Cylons can mimick memories and personalities so if they replaced his wife with a Cylon I'd think he'd notice. Unless they recently married. Did they ever mention it on the show?

Gaeta's a possibility, and he has the strongest amount of evidence supporting him. Zareck's lieutenant is another...I thought he was killed during the ambush in the latest episode but I might be wrong. Unless I'm leaving out any members of the cast, that gives us a maximum of 3 potentional Cylons who are also known members. My personal opinion is that Gaeta is a Cylon, Zareck's lieutenant is a Cylon, Tigh's wife is not, and the others are people we have never seen.

Although the use of the Cylon infiltraters is very odd...if the Cylon strategy is to use the humans as tools in their "Plan", why have Boomer blow the water tanks or shoot Adama? Why have Tourist Guy blow himself up?

[xerex]

So there are 12 Cylon models. 8 on the fleet. Of those models, 7 have been identified (Six, Airlock Guy, Tourist Guide, Boomer, Black Guy). So the obvious conclusion is that one of the Cylons aboard the fleet is Black Guy.

1. you only named 5 models.

2 didnt Baltar ask how many cylons were still left in the cylons still left in the fleet?

Baltar: No, he's dying right now, Sharon. I can save him if you tell me how many Cylons there are left in the fleet.

Boomer: I don't know, but I'm not getting a pulse.

Baltar: Yes, you do. Now, buried deep down in that thing you call a subconscious you know how many.

Boomer: I don't know!

Baltar: He doesn't have time for this, Sharon. His organs are shutting down. In ten seconds time, he'll experience complete brain stem death. Now how many? Do you love him, sharon? only you can save him! Ten... nine... do you love him? Do you love him, Sharon?

Boomer: Eight! There are eight..

so there are 8 left to be discovered, assuming boomer knew what she was talking about.

[xerex]

Although the use of the Cylon infiltraters is very odd...if the Cylon strategy is to use the humans as tools in their "Plan", why have Boomer blow the water tanks or shoot Adama? Why have Tourist Guy blow himself up?

I suspect the cylons are not unified and are working at cross purposes with regard to the human remnant. some want to exterminate, some want to unite with, some want to become -human

[The Dark]

2 didnt Baltar ask how many cylons were still left in the cylons still left in the fleet?

Baltar: No, he's dying right now, Sharon. I can save him if you tell me how many Cylons there are left in the fleet.

Boomer: I don't know, but I'm not getting a pulse.

Baltar: Yes, you do. Now, buried deep down in that thing you call a subconscious you know how many.

Boomer: I don't know!

Baltar: He doesn't have time for this, Sharon. His organs are shutting down. In ten seconds time, he'll experience complete brain stem death. Now how many? Do you love him, sharon? only you can save him! Ten... nine... do you love him? Do you love him, Sharon?

Boomer: Eight! There are eight..

so there are 8 left to be discovered, assuming boomer knew what she was talking about.

It's possible that some of those eight are already known models on the civilian ships. There may be a Boomer on a mining ship (example only, not saying there is). It wasn't a question of how many models are still in the fleet, just how many Cylons.

Actually, reading the script, it struck me that the number of Cylons just "happens" to be the next number in Baltar's countdown. Reading it over, that seems a bit odd. Maybe it's just my rampant paranoia, but I'm not so certain there are eight...

[Skylon]

Although the use of the Cylon infiltraters is very odd...if the Cylon strategy is to use the humans as tools in their "Plan", why have Boomer blow the water tanks or shoot Adama? Why have Tourist Guy blow himself up?

I have a feeling the Cylons expect us to destroy ourselves. Number Six is constantly saying how humans inevitably turn against each other and destroy themselves. The Cylon infiltrators are there more to plant seeds of distrust and paranoia. I hope Adama's plot to bring the fleet back together is going against the plan, because I'm starting to get sick of the Cylons acting like "oh, its all going according to our brilliant uber-plan".

I really hope we start getting into what "The Plan" is, soon, because beyond season 3 it would just be annoying without some idea. Beyond talk about getting closer to God by procreating, or being more like humans. So far the only part that makes sense is harvesting women in the farms. "The Plan" seems to be what will make or break the series. Ron Moore either knows what it is, like JMS had B5 plotted out or is making it up as he goes along like Chris Carter and the X-Files.

I do have one issue with Gaeta being a Cylon. Galactica would have been FUCKED. He could have easily miscalculated a jump and sent Galactica into the Colonial sun when it made the first jump to Ragnar. The Cylons during the mini-series took measures to destroy Galactica (nuke attack). And when the mini-series ended they talk about Galactica's escape almost like it was unexpected.

[HemlockGrey]

1. you only named 5 models.

I got mixed up. I meant we had identified 5 Cylons, so there are 7 unknowns and the Black Guy on the fleet.

[Zwinmar]

Unless im totally mistaken: Cylons are essentially human, at the very least they are incredably intelligent, but not infallable, which leads me to conclude that there are many different factions, possibly one group is working to aid the Fleet, why not?....They were created by humans, and humans have an incredible history of fighting among themselves, why would the Cylons be different?

[InnocentBystander]

Unless im totally mistaken: Cylons are essentially human, at the very least they are incredably intelligent, but not infallable, which leads me to conclude that there are many different factions, possibly one group is working to aid the Fleet, why not?....They were created by humans, and humans have an incredible history of fighting among themselves, why would the Cylons be different?

Yes, but I seem to recall Six's spine glowing while she was "having fun" during the miniseries, and last time I checked, our bones don't glow, no matter how much fun we are having.