Force Sub Winter 1941, Russian Tanks vs Mechs (part II)

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-11-27 02:32am

Dendrobius wrote:I'm just sorry that I don't know how to capture screenies from my VCD collection, or just hell as give the entire combat clip to you guys. Hell, go get Episode 8 of 08th MST!

I can do screenshots. What do you need? [/quote]

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-27 02:33am

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:Well you know fan boy's don't realize that people can't react to anything moving faster then 90mph, now with some uber-optics you micht be able to react to something moving at 300mph, from that far away, but if it's moving transonic, No amout of reflexes can, anticibate a round moving that fast. Now a computer controlled, Radar system, has a slight Chance of using a reactive armour or a point defense type canon.

Oh, it's physically impossible to See a round comming at that speed. anymore then it's possible for a deer to react to by Geo Metro at Highway speeds.

Damn right. The presence of a visible streak indicate that the round was far slower then claimed. The result of shit for rangefinders most likely. Not surprising since their sensors only reach out 3200 meters.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-11-27 02:33am

That makes me wonder....

where is the interia of 240km moving mecha?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-27 02:37am

I'd really like to know what the phanboyz argument has become quite frankly. What the fuck are they trying to argue?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-27 02:37am

Dendrobius wrote:I'm just sorry that I don't know how to capture screenies from my VCD collection, or just hell as give the entire combat clip to you guys. Hell, go get Episode 8 of 08th MST!

Yes, I would dare. When his setting out for the T90's stats are in the exact same order and the exact same wording as fas.org's? Or I could be wrong, fas.org copied off him. Regardless, the information is one and the same.

If you had a functional brain you'd have check the sources and methods page. Which credits Vasiliy Fofanov and armytechnology. Stupid moron.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-27 02:38am

Vympel wrote:I'd really like to know what the phanboyz argument has become quite frankly. What the fuck are they trying to argue?

That shells made of non-existent material fly fast yet slow and display the same accuracy against tanks as mobile apartment buildings.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-11-27 02:39am

SWPIGWANG wrote:2. The Magella fires at 10klicks and MISSES

Actually, it was a Zaku II carrying a 175mm Magella Attack cannon.

In the episode, Shiro is trying to drive a pair of Zakus out of a villiage, and into a rice paddy, where Karen and Terry are going to try to snipe at the Mobile Suits from 10m km away. Karen is worried that a shot "only 2 meters off" may set off their reactors. It should be noted that the two Gundams are leaning against a hillside, allowing it to absorb some of the kick of the Beam Rifle.

When the Zakus get out, Terry quickly fires a shot, but his aim is a little off. Karen gives him instructions on correcting his fire, while the Zaku pilot is searching him out by firing a few shots with the cannon. Before he can find Terry, Terry corrects his aim, and fires, blowing the Zaku's arms off, and throwing it to the gound.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-27 02:40am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Vympel wrote:I'd really like to know what the phanboyz argument has become quite frankly. What the fuck are they trying to argue?
That shells made of non-existent material fly fast yet slow and display the same accuracy against tanks as mobile apartment buildings.

And of course that explosive effects are reversed and based of gasoline rather then HE despite there being a more logical explanation, which however hurts their cause.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 02:41am

SAMAS wrote: It should be noted that the two Gundams are leaning against a hillside, allowing it to absorb some of the kick of the Beam Rifle.

and still MISSES? shit man the T-90s will OWN them.....but it isn't like
we didn't know that already....

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-27 02:42am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
That shells made of non-existent material fly fast yet slow and display the same accuracy against tanks as mobile apartment buildings.

And of course that explosive effects are reversed and based of gasoline rather then HE despite there being a more logical explanation, which however hurts their cause.[/quote]

Thanks Skimmer, I was reeling in the wilderness as to what the frigging point was.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 02:50am

Vympel wrote: Thanks Skimmer, I was reeling in the wilderness as to what the frigging point was.

The point (according to them) is that a Mecha that is over two stories
high (17.5 metres) and weighs 70 tons, has a better armor thickness
than a T-90 that weighs 50 tons and is only 2.1 metres high...

Hey, to them, it doesn't have to make sense....as long as it violates
all the laws of physics and looks cool, it goes...

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-27 02:52am

MKSheppard wrote:
Vympel wrote: Thanks Skimmer, I was reeling in the wilderness as to what the frigging point was.
The point (according to them) is that a Mecha that is over two stories
high (17.5 metres) and weighs 70 tons, has a better armor thickness
than a T-90 that weighs 50 tons and is only 2.1 metres high...

Hey, to them, it doesn't have to make sense....as long as it violates
all the laws of physics and looks cool, it goes...

And is ridiculously expensive and inefficient too!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 03:02am

Vympel wrote: And is ridiculously expensive and inefficient too!

Any moment now, SAMAS will run off crying to SB about
how mean the people over at SD.net are...

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-11-27 03:02am

I re-checked the scene:

Karen was the one who fired the first shot. It only missed by a few feet, and that was because the Zaku unexpectanly stopped. Had it kept going, the shot would've taken out it's cannon, not to mention both arms.
The Zaku's return fire does not travel to Karen's position in two seconds, but one. And it is getting there that fast. You see the muzzle flash from the gun, then a second later, the round next to Karen's Gundam erupts.
Terry's shot hits its intended target, shearing the arms off the Zaku, and throwing it at least one full height before it hits the ground.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-27 03:04am

heh

This has gone beyond ugly, Now if this was AT-AT's it would be diggerent.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-27 03:05am

Vympel wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Vympel wrote: Thanks Skimmer, I was reeling in the wilderness as to what the frigging point was.
The point (according to them) is that a Mecha that is over two stories
high (17.5 metres) and weighs 70 tons, has a better armor thickness
than a T-90 that weighs 50 tons and is only 2.1 metres high...

Hey, to them, it doesn't have to make sense....as long as it violates
all the laws of physics and looks cool, it goes...
And is ridiculously expensive and inefficient too!

Everything you could want in the primary arbiter of your military power..

My five turreted rad zone tanks make are better then these POS.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 03:06am

SAMAS wrote:I re-checked the scene:

Do we care?

Go run off to Spacebattles and whine to your friends about how
evil and bad Stardestroyer.net is...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-27 03:10am

Though I don't particularly like mechs(The only ones I find worthwhile are Star Wars ones, where the tech level is so obscenely high they can do such), I will point out Sheppard and those on his side are being blatantly and stupidly bias in their claims of 'violates physics! Can't work! We win!'. These debates are not about who is closer to physics. A Culture ship pulls power from a space that shouldn't exist.. We won't claim it stops working when attacking RL Earth. If a Mech is shown to do something, you must debate as if it did. If that means RL tanks get owned by future mechs, that's how it is. That's the only way to debate fairly, and doing otherwise is making this truly just a tanker wankfest.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 03:14am

Sea Skimmer wrote: My five turreted rad zone tanks make are better then these POS.

Fear......

The T-35 Heavy Tank!!!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-27 03:15am

SirNitram wrote: I will point out Sheppard and those on his side are being blatantly and stupidly bias in their claims of 'violates physics! Can't work! We win!'.

Then explain how you can see a 5 km/sec round WITH THE NAKED EYE....

Unless it isn't 5 km /sec....

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-11-27 03:18am

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-27 03:19am

MKSheppard wrote:
SirNitram wrote: I will point out Sheppard and those on his side are being blatantly and stupidly bias in their claims of 'violates physics! Can't work! We win!'.
Then explain how you can see a 5 km/sec round WITH THE NAKED EYE....

Unless it isn't 5 km /sec....

Technically you CAN see a 5km/s round with the naked eye... except that you won't see much of it and it'll be too busy blowing you up.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-11-27 03:19am

It is anime :p where light follow different properties

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-27 03:22am

SWPIGWANG wrote:It is anime :p where light follow different properties

While anime is so detached from reality; for the purposes of all versus debates we assume science is still in force. If not, we just devolve into subjective nonsense- this is well established

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-27 03:33am

MKSheppard wrote:
SirNitram wrote: I will point out Sheppard and those on his side are being blatantly and stupidly bias in their claims of 'violates physics! Can't work! We win!'.
Then explain how you can see a 5 km/sec round WITH THE NAKED EYE....

Unless it isn't 5 km /sec....

The shot was slowed down?

If it crosses 10km in 2 seconds in the anime, the shot does 5km/sec. It is the height of dishonest debating to declare things that don't always fit in physics to be invalid. This is the sort of thing I expect from Dark Star, not ASVSers.