USVSD Update

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-25 03:47am

Check out the new front page:

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/usvsd.html

Currently working on a revamp of the "Borg vs The Empire" page. After that, the "Shields" page will be reworked, then I'll look at other old pages to revive. All of the "Myths and Legends" pages are now back up, and have been "retooled":

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/myths/myths.html

The "Trekmiss" videos won't be back anytime soon. I simply can't afford to host them right now.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-08-25 06:53am

The front page is displaying very nicely for me right now, great work as always.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-25 12:02pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:The front page is displaying very nicely for me right now, great work as always.

Thanks. That's largely due to Uber-Website Guru Dalton and his trusty sidekick, Cyborg Stan!

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-08-25 01:21pm

I've already mentioned this in the Artworks forum, but the new design looks very nice and appropriate.

The trekkies are making quite a fuss about that new quote by GL (which doesn't say anything that we didn't know before), and it would be interesting to see your take on things, Lord Poe.

Shiva Star · Post by **Shiva Star** » 2005-08-25 01:55pm

Nice

! I always have a great feeling of satisfaction when Trek Ships are blown to microscopic bits! Though, I have a question, why did you pull Hate Mail, 'twas one of my favourite section (And what got me into ST Vs. SW in the first place). Tell Cyborg Stan and Dalton I said they did a good job on the design.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2005-08-25 10:06pm

Was looking at the Obi vs Jango page. In additional proof to the fact that the ship wasn't firing at full power is the fact that Boba had just powered up the ship seconds before he fired. (you see him warming up systems in the cockpit) It's nowhere near beyond reasonable to assume that the capacitors of Slave One weren't fully charged, especially in light of the novalization's comments on how they were drained for that moment.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-08-25 10:34pm

Nice website, Lord Poe, but I have one question:
Which transporter beam did Bashir use to get the baby inside Kira?

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2005-08-26 12:16am

I happened to see the new frontpage already yesterday. Very nifty.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-26 01:23am

Mange the Swede wrote:I've already mentioned this in the Artworks forum, but the new design looks very nice and appropriate.

The trekkies are making quite a fuss about that new quote by GL (which doesn't say anything that we didn't know before), and it would be interesting to see your take on things, Lord Poe.

Yes, I expect they are. Again, the quote still doesn't invalidate the EU. Lucas once again, says the movies are his domain alone to tell stories in. The EU is seperate only in that they can never contradict the movies, or reshape them.
You know, sort of like what we've been saying for years now.

When you understand the mentality of the Trekkies that hope to misrepresent every word out of Lucas' mouth, you understand how desperate they are to hobble the Star Wars side as much as Paramount has done to Star Trek. Darkstar had every single one of his idiotic theories throughly destroyed on ASVS before coming here to get ass raped.

When he realized Paramount doesn't consider novels or tech manuals canon or even EU in the sense they can speak where the movies and TV shows are silent (like Star Wars EU) he took up the cause of an even olsder troll than he is, Timothy Jones, and ran with it and continues to obsess over it to this day.

Its really nothing new. Now a troll me, Mike, Dalton, and a few others fought on Usenet has found his new Messiah in Darkstar. I'm of course talking about Mike Dicenso. We kicked his ass all over the Usenet for years before Darkstar came onto the scene. Noe Dicenso is dragging out all his old, crusty theories and presenting them to Darkstar's circlejerk.

I've seen you try to talk sense to that idiot on the message board. If you want to know how everyone smacked him down years ago, just Google his nume under Groups. His rhetoric hasn't changed a damned bit.

BTW, can you believe the guy actually ran down Steve Sansweet and Peter Mayhew at the San Diego Comic Con to ask questions for Darkstar? LOL!! My god, do you know how UNINTERESTED I am talking about Star Trek vs Star Wars offline? I was at the Comic Con this year, and even met Kevin J Anderson. I never thought to bug him about SW vs ST questions!!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-26 01:31am

Shiva Star wrote:Nice ! I always have a great feeling of satisfaction when Trek Ships are blown to microscopic bits! Though, I have a question, why did you pull Hate Mail, 'twas one of my favourite section (And what got me into ST Vs. SW in the first place). Tell Cyborg Stan and Dalton I said they did a good job on the design.

The Hate Mail page was very old, and wasn't updated anymore since I rarely receive anymore hate mail. The link is still good, (along with the Darkstar Database), and you can still see it here:

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/hate/hate.html

Man, Dalton has been my web guru for years. I could sit for fucking hours trying to find that misplaced semicolon screwing up my webpage, but when I email Rob, the bastard finds it in seconds!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-26 01:33am

CaptJodan wrote:Was looking at the Obi vs Jango page. In additional proof to the fact that the ship wasn't firing at full power is the fact that Boba had just powered up the ship seconds before he fired. (you see him warming up systems in the cockpit) It's nowhere near beyond reasonable to assume that the capacitors of Slave One weren't fully charged, especially in light of the novalization's comments on how they were drained for that moment.

Very true, yes.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-08-26 01:35am

wilfulton wrote:Nice website, Lord Poe, but I have one question:
Which transporter beam did Bashir use to get the baby inside Kira?

I have no idea. I don't believe I've even seen that episode. Maybe Alyeska could answer it? I'd have to speculate that since it was an emergency situation, he used the transporter on the runabout. Although how the baby was hooked to a non existant umbilical cord inside Kira and didn't die is beyond me.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2005-08-26 01:48am

Lord Poe wrote:Although how the baby was hooked to a non existant umbilical cord inside Kira and didn't die is beyond me.

He probably did it through some technobable about using Keiko's pattern to assemble all the necessary reproductive systems in Kira.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-26 04:39am

I'd have to speculate that since it was an emergency situation, he used the transporter on the runabout. Although how the baby was hooked to a non existant umbilical cord inside Kira and didn't die is beyond me.

Bashir considered implanting the baby in himself, so he had to have a way to make an artificial womb of sorts. Here's the transcript of his explanation of the events to O'Brien :

O'Brien is sitting in one of the chairs, a little shell-
shocked, grappling with the news. BASHIR is explaining
what happened.

BASHIR
Kira almost had us clear of the
asteroid field, but the deflectors
got overwhelmed. We were side-
swiped by a rock the size of this
room. A fuel pod exploded and
Keiko was thrown against the
bulkhead. She had a concussion,
broken ribs, internal hemorrhaging --

O'Brien pales a little listening to this list of
injuries to his wife.

BASHIR
I was able to stabilize her -- but
the baby's autonomic functions
were failing.
(a beat)
I had to find another womb for the
baby, and the only two people
available were Major Kira and...
me.

SISKO
I think you made the right choice,
Doctor.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-26 04:40am

Sorry, forgot the second part :

O'BRIEN
But the Major's Bajoran... how can
she carry a human child?

BASHIR
I had to stimulate Kira's estrogen
and progesterone production, and
administer high doses of tesokine
to enable the baby to metabolize
Bajoran nutrients.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-08-26 08:12am

Bounty wrote:Bashir considered implanting the baby in himself, so he had to have a way to make an artificial womb of sorts. Here's the transcript of his explanation of the events to O'Brien

BASHIR
I was able to stabilize her -- but
the baby's autonomic functions
were failing.
(a beat)
I had to find another womb for the
baby, and the only two people
available were Major Kira and...
me.

This doesn't imply being able to make an artificial womb at all. He had to find a place for the baby, and of the two people availiable only one of them was female. Nowhere in that dialogue is he seriously considering himself as a suitable host. In fact, one might argue that if he really was able to do so, he would have chosen himself. That way he wouldn't have to adapt the baby to handle a Bajoran womb and possibly even transfer the Baby back to Keiko.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-26 08:42am

Good point. I was reading it too literally.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-08-26 06:18pm

Lord Poe wrote:Man, Dalton has been my web guru for years. I could sit for fucking hours trying to find that misplaced semicolon screwing up my webpage, but when I email Rob, the bastard finds it in seconds!

I aim to please

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-08-27 04:34am

Bounty wrote:Bashir considered implanting the baby in himself, so he had to have a way to make an artificial womb of sorts.

...
BASHIR: I had to find another womb for the baby, and the only two people available were Major Kira and... me.

Man, that is a beautiful example of Trektard logic. Thank you.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-08-27 04:43am

You're welcome. No need to credit me

And I've already admitted I completely misread the quote.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-08-27 05:54am

Lord Poe, perhaps you're already aware of this problem, but I can only access "Weapons of mass destruction" from here:

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/data.html

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-08-27 05:59am

Oh, sorry. I forgot that you are in the process of updating and reviving some of the pages.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-08-27 12:48pm

Um, with the baby transplant, if Bajorian reproduction is anywhere like human, most of the month, Kirk would have blood lining the inside of her uterous.

Transport the baby, placenta et al into Kira, a little "Star Trek surgery" to connect the placenta into the uterous and with the prexisting blood lining, and ta-da.

Didn't any of you pay attention in Sex Ed class?

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-08-27 05:29pm

Solauren wrote:Um, with the baby transplant, if Bajorian reproduction is anywhere like human, most of the month, Kirk would have blood lining the inside of her uterous.

Transport the baby, placenta et al into Kira, a little "Star Trek surgery" to connect the placenta into the uterous and with the prexisting blood lining, and ta-da.

Didn't any of you pay attention in Sex Ed class?

That is an example of a hilarious typo. *saves*

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2005-08-27 10:25pm

Mr. Poe, are you familiar with the 1982 story "Sundown!" (Star Wars Vol. 1, No. 58)? In it, the Princess Leia of Alderaan proposed "hiding the entire fleet inside the sun," a plan that was agreed to by the Alliance's leadership (in fact, one of the leaders remarks "And it's not like we've never done it before"). She described her proposal as "standard operating procedure":

But to get back to soothing your nerves, Threepio, not only do active stars make ideal hiding places – – but under controlled conditions, they can be quite safe. Through past experimentation, we've established a procedure based on the linking of five Kerts-Bhrg field generators – – which, when precisely aligned, form a temperature-shielded pyramid. Once the fleet – less what fighters and such we need for normal operations – has been secured inside the pyramid – – the total unit is directed down into the star's chromosphere, a relatively cool area between the corona and the surface. The temperature there rarely exceeds 8,000 degrees, well within the pyramid's long-range capacity. Our only real problem is keeping the pyramid in orbit. At the speed it has to travel to overcome the star's gravity, it could easily be flung back through the corona into space. But we have even that eventuality covered. The control generator at the top of the pyramid is equipped with a thruster, one that counters the centrifugal effects of the rapid orbit.

Hundreds of rebel ships were concealed within the pyramid created by the Kerts-Bhrg field generators, and it successfully entered the star, while its "exterior temperatures rise to two million degrees... three million... and beyond" before passing into the chromosphere. The plan only failed because of faulty circuitry in one of the field generators causing a loss of power, but disaster was evaded when C-3PO and R2-D2 connected a power cable from the generator to a Nebulon-B escort frigate – C-3PO calls it a cruiser – , which provided the emergency power necessary to power the field until permanent repairs could be made.