AOTC force sub

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 12:34pm

All the normal LAAT gunships are replaced with Mi-24 HIND gunships. (Pictured below)

The only LAAT's not replaced are the specialized AT-TE carrying ones.

Will the outcome of the battle be the same, or different?

HIND armament:

12.7-mm 4x Barrel Machinegun, YaKB-12.7:
Range (m): (practical) 1,500
Elevation/Traverse: 20° up to 60° down/ 120°
Ammo Type: HEFI, APT, Duplex, DuplexT
Rate of Fire (rpm): up to 4,500 (pilot selectable)

30-mm Twin Barrel Cannon, GSh-30K:
Range (m): (practical) 4,000
Elevation/Traverse: None (rigidly mounted)
Ammo Type: HEFI, HEI, APT, APE, CC
Rate of Fire (rpm): 300, or 2,000 to 2,600

750 - 1x twin 30-mm gun, or
1,470 - 12.7-mm 4 barrel turret gun
2-12 - AT-2C or AT-6C Spiral ATGMs
2-4 - 80-mm S-8 rocket pods (20 ea.)
2-4 - 57-mm S-5 rocket pods (32 ea.)
940 - GSh-23L twin 23-mm MG pods
4 - 250-kg bombs FAB-250
2 - 500-kg bombs
500 liters External fuel tanks

Most Probable Armament
HIND D: Turret-mounted 4-barrel 12.7-mm Gatling type machinegun, 57-mm rockets, AT-2C/ SWATTER ATGMs.
HIND E: Turret-mounted 4-barrel 12.7-mm Gatling type machinegun or twin barrel 23-mm turret gun, 57-mm rockets, AT-6C/ SPIRAL ATGMs.
HIND F: Fixed 30-mm twin gun on the right fuselage side, 57-mm rockets, AT-6C/ SPIRAL ATGMs.

Loaded combat troops can fire personal weapons through cabin windows.

(Source: Fas.org)

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2002-11-27 12:36pm

Hind missles and rockets don't have anything like SW firepower. Repulic forces=dead

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 12:41pm

The firepower of the LAAT missiles and rockets in AOTC was no greater than that of real life helicopter gunships. This is SEEN. In the film. (The ultimate canon). Bog standard chemical explosives.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-11-27 12:49pm

Thing's got an interesting gun there.

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 12:54pm

That's not a gun. It's a pair of rocket pods, and a belt of MG ammo has been hung over a protruding section to make it "look cool" for the photograph.

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2002-11-27 12:57pm

Reply based off Mike Wong's ATOC analysis from this site:

LAAT mini-superlasers (for lack of a better name): 300GJ (from a burst not much more than a second long). For reference, IIRC, the battleship Iowa mounts 9 cannons producing no more than 200MJ...

In addition, they carry a large number of large missles--missles capable of destroying enemey wheel droids, and lighter starships...

Somehow, I don't think the hinds will be as effective....

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 01:01pm

The missiles did fuck all to the starships.

It took the big monster walking artillery pieces to take them down.

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 01:04pm

No weapon of the LAAT's is ever seen producing a 300GJ explosion. It didn't come close to the power of a single Iowa shell, from what I saw.

How did Mike come up with this figure?

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-11-27 01:08pm

Totenkopf wrote:That's not a gun. It's a pair of rocket pods, and a belt of MG ammo has been hung over a protruding section to make it "look cool" for the photograph.

I realize that. I just decided to call them guns.

The missiles did fuck all to the starships.

It took the big monster walking artillery pieces to take them down.

The Republicans used missiles against the smaller, cylindrical ships. It was the Federation ships which were hit with SPHA/Ts.

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-27 01:31pm

The Republicans used missiles against the smaller, cylindrical ships. It was the Federation ships which were hit with SPHA/Ts.

How dare you bring the Republicans in to this!!!!!!! What about the Democrats!!!!!

Just joking

I think that the Hind gun ship would not change the out come of the battle. I think that they would have performed the same as the LAAT.[/quote]

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-11-27 01:34pm

XaLEv wrote:The Republicans used missiles against the smaller, cylindrical ships. It was the Federation ships which were hit with SPHA/Ts.

That only worked because they hit the fuel tanks.

Acclamator · Post by **Acclamator** » 2002-11-27 01:42pm

I won't get involved in this thread to the point of endless bickering about canon, official, overrulings, wars firepower, real life firepower, etc.

I will however point one thing out:

With the bulkier frame of the HINDs (they have a long tail boom which the LAAT's don't have) plus the presence of clumsy rotor blades (which they must keep from coming into contact with anything or they're fucked), it might be difficult to rescue the Jedi in the fashion done by the LAATs. The LAATs set down fairly close to each other in the arena around the enciricled Jedi. If this was tried with HINDs they might end up with collisions, clashing rotor blades... all manner of nastyness.

guyver · Post by **guyver** » 2002-11-27 01:46pm

Acclamator wrote:I won't get involved in this thread to the point of endless bickering about canon, official, overrulings, wars firepower, real life firepower, etc.

I will however point one thing out:

With the bulkier frame of the HINDs (they have a long tail boom which the LAAT's don't have) plus the presence of clumsy rotor blades (which they must keep from coming into contact with anything or they're fucked), it might be difficult to rescue the Jedi in the fashion done by the LAATs. The LAATs set down fairly close to each other in the arena around the enciricled Jedi. If this was tried with HINDs they might end up with collisions, clashing rotor blades... all manner of nastyness.

That is hard to say If they will crash into each other. I well trained pilot can set his chopper down within inches of each other. Plus Hinds have wheels they could land in one spot and roll to there holding station.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-27 02:27pm

Totenkopf wrote:
XaLEv wrote:The Republicans used missiles against the smaller, cylindrical ships. It was the Federation ships which were hit with SPHA/Ts.
That only worked because they hit the fuel tanks.

You're hard of hearing, aren't you?

"Aim ABOVE(emphasis mine) the fuel cells!"