Report Claims Men More Intelligent Than Women

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-08-26 02:47am

In controversial research reported all over the place, Richard Lynn, the emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University claims that, on average, men are more intelligent than women.
Let battle commence!
As the research is not yet published there's nothing more to go on than the press reports.
The co-author of the study, Dr Irwing, a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University, is apologetic about the findings.
In the BBC News report he states that the paper will go on to argue that despite their disadvantage in IQ, there is evidence that women utilise their (lesser!) talents better than men.
This simply begs the question of what use IQ tests are if they don't predict anything in the real world."

From slashdot

Sounds interesting, know we just need the article itself to come out, so it can be lambasted, and held secretly in the hearts of all males

.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2005-08-26 09:04am

So how long does everyone think it'll be before the FemiNazis are calling for these researchers to be fired?

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-08-26 09:26am

I really wonder how long it will be before we actually realise that its impossible to actually quantify and test intelligence.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-08-26 11:06am

Didnt a harvard dean type person get fired for saying that was an interesting theory?

I got in some good arguments with my femnazi friends about it.

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2005-08-26 11:24am

Enforcer Talen wrote:Didnt a harvard dean type person get fired for saying that was an interesting theory?

I got in some good arguments with my femnazi friends about it.

Sad thing is if the argument was the other way around, the femnazis would be going bonkers chanting it as holy writ.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-08-26 11:27am

Enforcer Talen wrote:Didnt a harvard dean type person get fired for saying that was an interesting theory?

I got in some good arguments with my femnazi friends about it.

Actually I think he said something along the lines of men being better at math, etc. than women and were thus better suited for certain careers. I don't remember him having said that men were actually smarter though.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-08-26 12:31pm

It's obvious these scientists were never married.

Lord of the Abyss · Post by **Lord of the Abyss** » 2005-08-26 04:12pm

The Spartan wrote:Actually I think he said something along the lines of men being better at math, etc. than women and were thus better suited for certain careers. I don't remember him having said that men were actually smarter though.

I thought he said that women didn't want careers in math/science/engineering; they simply have different tastes than men. I could be wrong, however; the affair brought up a lot of discussion in that vein.

In relation to the study : I don't think "intelligence" is even a real quality to begin with. Intelligence is a collection of abilities we lump together, not some unitary ability that can be compared in a linear fashion. After all, how many people do you know who are smart at everything ?
It's like calling someone "athletic". Do you mean a gymnast ? A marathoner ? A weightlifter ? The concept of ntelligence is useful for imprecise purposes; really stupid or really smart people are easy to disinguish from each other. However, the closer you look at the human mind, the less useful the concept is.
Who has more intelligence ? The math genius who is clueless about people, or someone who reads people like a book but can't handle math ? How about the theorist who can't figure out how to implement his ideas, and the engineer who can, but can't come up with the ideas ?

For that matter :

In the BBC News report he states that the paper will go on to argue that despite their disadvantage in IQ, there is evidence that women utilise their (lesser!) talents better than men.

That sounds like a form of intelligence in itself. Frankly, we don't even have a good objective definition of "general intelligence", much less a good way to measure it - assuming it even exists.

Finally, on a practical note; I see women outwit men all the time ( and the other way round, of course ).

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-08-26 04:59pm

[manshow]
Well the only reason women don't realize how much smarter men are is because whenever they're around we're usually checking out their TnA too much to actually say something intelligent!
[/manshow]

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-08-26 06:01pm

And that's what makes us smarter than them, we always try to pass on our genes.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-08-26 06:04pm

If it used a wide age band sample, it's easy to explain the disparity. Your intellectual ability is in no small part training, and even in Western countries, girls were until quite recently, sometimes still are, pressured to undertake less intellectual education. Domestic science ring a bell with anyone?

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-08-26 06:16pm

I wouldn't consider this necessarily intrinsic. Girls are still far less pressured for intelligence than men I have seen in school (and I'm currently in high school so I see it a lot.)

Though I might mention at my school, the top three students both this Senior year and last were female, including definitely science and math areas. Of course, their families value knowledge.

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-08-26 06:54pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:Didnt a harvard dean type person get fired for saying that was an interesting theory?

His name is Lawrence Summers and he didn't lose his job.

sketerpot · Post by **sketerpot** » 2005-08-26 07:22pm

Lord of the Abyss wrote:Finally, on a practical note; I see women outwit men all the time ( and the other way round, of course ).

I've said this before, in similarly heated terms:

THINK STATISTICALLY, DAMN YOU!

Individual counterexamples don't refute statistical statements about large populations. Whenever studies like this come out, some dumbass always says something like "I know lots of smart women!", and that doesn't prove shit. You didn't go that far, but since you're the first to go near there I'm flaming you: "counterexamples" don't have any bearing on this discussion.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-08-26 07:54pm

Elheru Aran wrote:It's obvious these scientists were never married.

That's what makes them smart. If it flies, floats, or fucks you're usually better off renting.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2005-08-26 08:04pm

On the subject of "I've seen women trick men before", in addition to sketerpot's I AM YELLANG!! text I'd like to add that men really can't pull things over on women with the same frequency as the reverse in public like that for the same reasons why men can't slap women back or insult them if they are insulted. It's not allowed.

NecronLord is also right-
Women were until recently pressured to be less smart and take dumb classes (especially in Math and Science). Nowadays men are as equally pressured to be fashionably brainless, so it measures out.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-08-26 08:43pm

MRDOD, I'd consider that inaccurate.

One of the driving differences I see is that for women it's kind of implied you can always get married and just take care of the kids. Truth be told, that's not as common a thought as a 'backup option' as for men, and being a fulltime wife doesn't take a PHD. Therefore, for girls the brainless option is considered completely acceptable, if they can assume you are just opting for that.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-08-26 11:27pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:It's obvious these scientists were never married.
That's what makes them smart. If it flies, floats, or fucks you're usually better off renting.

I don't want to worry about where the joystick's been or what's been left in the cockpit. Just wipe up after yourself and your rentals when you return them - I hate sticky aircraft. And, uh, boats - I hate sticky boats, too.

Goddamned arrogant sonsofbitches egotistical full-of-themselves fuckin' pilots!...

You've been in rare form today, Wicked, what's up? Those hourly charges getting you irritated?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-08-26 11:30pm

Broomstick wrote:You've been in rare form today, Wicked, what's up? Those hourly charges getting you irritated?

Jesus Christ, I remember about 7 or 8 years ago you could rent a C-152 for $35 an hour wet. Those were the days.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-08-26 11:39pm

>sigh<

Yes, those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-08-27 01:40am

The Spartan wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:Didnt a harvard dean type person get fired for saying that was an interesting theory?

I got in some good arguments with my femnazi friends about it.
Actually I think he said something along the lines of men being better at math, etc. than women and were thus better suited for certain careers. I don't remember him having said that men were actually smarter though.

It was the Harvard president. He got in trouble for saying that we should study the reasons why women were not succeeding in math and science to the same extent that men were.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-08-27 02:44am

Hah! We'll be taking the vote back now.

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2005-08-27 08:01am

One thing about IQ tests, is that by their very nature they also test the ability of people to take tests (taking tests being a learnt skill). As a result, if you are no good at taking tests, or if, for example, you have a hideous pain in your abdomen, such that it feels as though your ovaries are trying to rip your uterus to shreds on the day of the test, then your score will be lower than it would normally be.

How can we be certain that this discrepancy is not due to men being better suited for a test situation than women?

Mrs Kendall · Post by **Mrs Kendall** » 2005-08-27 10:12am

To add to the above pots, what about people who are geniuses but when they enter a test room their mind goes blank? I agree that there is no accurate way to test whether men or women are smartert and Pick brings up good points as well.

Mrs Kendall · Post by **Mrs Kendall** » 2005-08-27 10:13am

Those are typos above! Not me being stupid

Just me being in a rush.