BSG: "Home" Part 2

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2005-08-27 02:14am

For a possible explanation of why the Cylons keep trying to vape the Galactica if they actualy did want them to find earth to ensure the genocide of humanity, remember, they're really only trying to destroy the Galactica, not the entire fleet. Without the Galactica acting as a force to unify to fleet, it'd be a lot easier to manipulate the remaining survivors to go where the Cylons desire.

As for why the Cylons don't use the legends and find earth themselves....

Remember, they don't believe in the colonials gods. They believe that there were some historical events that inspired the legends, but they don't believe the colonial gods' divinity. It's quite possible they don't believe the line in the Pythian propheices about the Arrow of Apollo and so, never bothered to try. I am, however, quite intrigued by these "other sources" Boomer mentioned.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-08-27 02:41am

Very nice episode, but there was one thing that bugged me. When Roslin's group was slogging through the woods in the pooring rain, and then the sceen switches, and the rain has stopped and they are all bone dry. Do the Colonials have some sort of super fabric? Because I've been out in the woods in weather like that, and even with much more complete raingear than they were wearing, you get soaked to the skin.

And I'll echo the statement that Six looked like Starbuck.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2005-08-27 03:01am

Has anyone got a torrent? Mininova and torrentspy have failed me and it will be many, many months before BSG filters it's way down here.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-08-27 03:17am

Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote:... what the fuck just happened?
Which part?

Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-08-27 03:32am

I think it was one of those hologram thingers, ya know?

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2005-08-27 03:47am

Durandal wrote:
Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote:... what the fuck just happened?
Which part?
Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?

I assume they flew back.

the story simply skipped past the walk back down the trail and lifting off the planet and jumped straight to when they had returned to the fleet. put it down to bad editing

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-08-27 05:10am

They just decided not to bother with the return journey. Personally, right now I feel that the Cylons want to break the cycle of child killing parent, but don't know how to do it. Not that this episode really explained much of the 'big picture', but it seems in some manner or another, the prophecies are totally real. Be it by religious reasons, or simply some ancient, but mortal plan.

I like this episode. It also highlights the Chief (Fangirl:<3)'s tension at seeing Sharon Deuce, with Helo...

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2005-08-27 10:34am

Billy needs to do something more.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-27 11:29am

I hope to God somebody broke out a piece of paper and pen in the tomb and noted those star positions.

Wonder if the nebula shown was an actual one relatively near Earth the producers pulled off a Hubble photo or something thrown together by the CGI team.

For awhile I was expecting Baltar to end up in a straight-jacket by episode's end. That Cottle would just get so pissed with the guy he'd just tell Tigh or someone "this guy is fucking nuts".

Now the big question is, if Six isn't a Cylon what the hell is she? Has she ever given Baltar any definative information or just vague predictions and prophecy?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-08-27 11:34am

Durandal wrote:
Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote:... what the fuck just happened?
Which part?
Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?

Oh, ok. Agreed. Bad editing. They should have had Adama say something akin to 'Ok, lets get the hell out of here and back to the fleet' for some sort of transistion.

Apperently, nothing interesting happened on the hike back out to the raptor/shuttles.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-08-27 11:52am

Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Knife wrote: Which part?
Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?
Oh, ok. Agreed. Bad editing. They should have had Adama say something akin to 'Ok, lets get the hell out of here and back to the fleet' for some sort of transistion.

Apperently, nothing interesting happened on the hike back out to the raptor/shuttles.

Who knows what could have happened, they might have spent hours and hours taking photos and catalouging what they found, collecting artifacts, searching the ruins. But all of that was unimportant!
As far as Baltar, I still don't know what to think. I will not rule out the possibility that he's got something in him which causes this, but it real or "imagined", so to speak. One this is certain, this show continues to impress, very upset we don't have a new ep next week.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-27 12:04pm

Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Knife wrote: Which part?
Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?
Oh, ok. Agreed. Bad editing. They should have had Adama say something akin to 'Ok, lets get the hell out of here and back to the fleet' for some sort of transistion.

Apperently, nothing interesting happened on the hike back out to the raptor/shuttles.

Am I the only one who liked that cut?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-08-27 12:57pm

I have no problem with the jump, the episodes are only so long, glad they showed us more "good" stuff, than what will amount to archeology.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-08-27 02:07pm

So was I the only one that found it strange that Caprica Boomer knew something that dead-in-the-morgue boomer heard? Regarding when Boomer said "You asked why", after Adama was finished choking her, in case no one knows what I'm talking about.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-08-27 02:30pm

InnocentBystander wrote:So was I the only one that found it strange that Caprica Boomer knew something that dead-in-the-morgue boomer heard? Regarding when Boomer said "You asked why", after Adama was finished choking her, in case no one knows what I'm talking about.

I had totally forgotten about that.

Maybe Sharon's been lying about not having information?

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2005-08-27 02:51pm

I was kind of thinking. If humans left Kobol to the 13 Colonies, how come is there a map showing Earth based constellations? Does that indicate someone from Earth probably returned and created the Tomb?

I haven't watched the miniseries, but according to the BSG Wiki the 13th tribe left Kobol to Earth after the 12 tribes. However, the 12 Colonies used Earth based constellations as their flags. Which means at least the designer of such flags knew the patterns in the beginning.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-08-27 02:55pm

Very powerful episode. I loved the reunification scene, and I'm really excited that we're making definite plot progress. I was worried for a moment about the talk of going back and rescuing or fighting alongside the colonial resistance, but hopefully we won't hear much of that again.

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:I was kind of thinking. If humans left Kobol to the 13 Colonies, how come is there a map showing Earth based constellations? Does that indicate someone from Earth probably returned and created the Tomb?

I haven't watched the miniseries, but according to the BSG Wiki the 13th tribe left Kobol to Earth after the 12 tribes. However, the 12 Colonies used Earth based constellations as their flags. Which means at least the designer of such flags knew the patterns in the beginning.

It could be that Moore has abandoned the "life here began out there" premise and intends to make a big dramatic stink out of the characters discovering "omg we didn't come from Kobol we came from Earth!"

I hope not, though.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2005-08-27 03:08pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:So was I the only one that found it strange that Caprica Boomer knew something that dead-in-the-morgue boomer heard? Regarding when Boomer said "You asked why", after Adama was finished choking her, in case no one knows what I'm talking about.
I had totally forgotten about that.

Maybe Sharon's been lying about not having information?

I think she couldn't recall shooting Adama because the Galactica Boomer couldn't actively remember that action (some sort of sleeper program taking effect). I'm probably going to watch this episode again (damn I'm glad I tape this series), but either Adama asked her why or referred to it at some point that slipped my mind this episode, she's presuming he had aksed, or Caprica Boomer remembers something that was said to a dead body...

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2005-08-27 03:15pm

Uraniun235 wrote:It could be that Moore has abandoned the "life here began out there" premise and intends to make a big dramatic stink out of the characters discovering "omg we didn't come from Kobol we came from Earth!"

I hope not, though.

Well after my thoughts I was amusing myself that the Cylon God was actually a Fundie populated Earth. Or in a more bizarre thought, Earth after the Second Coming. In the past pagans were persecuted and fled to Kobol and decided to bury their origins. Later on when the people on Kobol decided to expand, some people decided to go back to Earth and take a look. And probably were stoned to death, hence, "lost".

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-08-27 03:23pm

Skylon wrote:
Knife wrote:
Durandal wrote: Where they were on Earth one minute and the next, Adama's on the Galactica. How the hell did they get back?
Oh, ok. Agreed. Bad editing. They should have had Adama say something akin to 'Ok, lets get the hell out of here and back to the fleet' for some sort of transistion.

Apperently, nothing interesting happened on the hike back out to the raptor/shuttles.
Am I the only one who liked that cut?

No... I liked it too.

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2005-08-27 03:27pm

Skylon wrote: Am I the only one who liked that cut?

I liked the jump too. it gets rid of dead time and leaves open for the writers to fill in gaps in later episodes.

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:I was kind of thinking. If humans left Kobol to the 13 Colonies, how come is there a map showing Earth based constellations? Does that indicate someone from Earth probably returned and created the Tomb?

I haven't watched the miniseries, but according to the BSG Wiki the 13th tribe left Kobol to Earth after the 12 tribes. However, the 12 Colonies used Earth based constellations as their flags. Which means at least the designer of such flags knew the patterns in the beginning.

yup. major problem there. the only way to get those contellation maps on Kobol is if people from Earth WENT BACK to Kobol.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-08-27 03:27pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:So was I the only one that found it strange that Caprica Boomer knew something that dead-in-the-morgue boomer heard? Regarding when Boomer said "You asked why", after Adama was finished choking her, in case no one knows what I'm talking about.
I had totally forgotten about that.

Maybe Sharon's been lying about not having information?

During that "why" scene, to me dead Boomer didn't.... look dead enough. Her face looked like was 'still healing', her color was still warm.

Maybe she'd not downloaded herself yet? Humans used to believe the soul didn't leave the body immediately, but kinda hung around. Could there have been a delay in the download because she was still not wanting to be a Cylon?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-08-27 03:31pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:I was kind of thinking. If humans left Kobol to the 13 Colonies, how come is there a map showing Earth based constellations? Does that indicate someone from Earth probably returned and created the Tomb?

I haven't watched the miniseries, but according to the BSG Wiki the 13th tribe left Kobol to Earth after the 12 tribes. However, the 12 Colonies used Earth based constellations as their flags. Which means at least the designer of such flags knew the patterns in the beginning.

OR... Earth was settled because they could see the symbols in the sky above them. Either way, someone had to have returned to give that information because it's in the Book of Pythia.

as for the BSG Wiki... make sure that's for neo-BSG, not oldBSG. IIRC, that information was true for the original.

Akaramu Shinja · Post by **Akaramu Shinja** » 2005-08-27 03:53pm

Caprica-Boomer said "Ask me why" and while it's a hint at what he said to dead-Boomer, she clearly didn't know. She just knows he wants to find out the truth behind it. Or maybe I'm the only one that managed to follow it like that, if anyone disagrees, I expect boot licking when we find out I'm right later on in the series

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-08-27 04:03pm

InnocentBystander wrote:So was I the only one that found it strange that Caprica Boomer knew something that dead-in-the-morgue boomer heard? Regarding when Boomer said "You asked why", after Adama was finished choking her, in case no one knows what I'm talking about.

Galactica Boomer could still be essentially a "hot-michrophone" for lack of a better term. Still picking up sights, sounds etc and transmitting them back to the other Cylons.