Kansas BoE still hates Evolution

SLAM: debunk creationism, pseudoscience, and superstitions. Discuss logic and morality.

Moderator: Alyrium Denryle

User avatar
Keevan_Colton
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10355
Joined: 2002-12-30 08:57pm
Location: In the Land of Logic and Reason, two doors down from Lilliput and across the road from Atlantis...
Contact:

Post by Keevan_Colton »

boc120 wrote:If tolerance is as high on the list of your priorities as I have seen claimed, then I don't see why a the first responses to a moderately worded post are met with such profanity and intolerance. But back to the topic at hand.
The biology teacher at our school, without any forcing from any school board, has always made it his policy to not treat the idea of evolution as a sure thing. He regards it as his duty to show all sides in a fair light and then let the students draw their own conclusions. If the BOE in Kansas is trying to get fair representation for creationism, then both sides may be heard and then the students there can make their own conclusions as well. If only one idea is taught, such as evolution, then doesn't evolution become a sort of dogma if competing viewpoints are not allowed?
As I said you are clearly a moron.

Perhaps you do not understand the rule of this forum, but it is always open season on idiots here. You are effectively saying that we should let kids be taught that the world is flat, the sun orbits the earth or that magic fucking pixies made the universe on a rather slow tuesday because they were out of flan, and that this might not have any detrimental effect on society.

Answer me this then, if kids can be trusted to sort out what is bullshit and what isnt, why do teachers actually need to know anything to teach? Surely if the kids can work it all out on their own, the teachers could literally tell them anything and it would all work out.

Take a look at physics rather than biology, do we teach flat earth theory?
Take a look at chemistry rather than biology, do we teach alchemy?

Your "Only one point of view" shit is fucking assanine PC fucking stupidity.
"Prodesse Non Nocere."
"It's all about popularity really, if your invisible friend that tells you to invade places is called Napoleon, you're a loony, if he's called Jesus then you're the president."
"I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..."
"All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism.
BOTM - EBC - Horseman - G&C - Vampire
User avatar
Surlethe
HATES GRADING
Posts: 12267
Joined: 2004-12-29 03:41pm

Post by Surlethe »

Look at that sig:
Jesus is Lord
"No one can come to the Father except through me."--Jesus
I think we have a genuine troll on our hands, ladies and gentlemen.
A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of all men; claiming higher authority for existence, or sanction for its laws, that nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any religious creed or family is a standing offense to most of the Governments of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves.
F. Douglass
boc120
Fundamentalist Moron
Posts: 20
Joined: 2005-08-11 10:16pm
Location: philbied@myclearwave.net

Post by boc120 »

Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right. I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out. I believe that I will move on to a new topic. I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out. Thank you, I hope that you have a nice day.
Jesus is Lord
"No one can come to the Father except through me."--Jesus
User avatar
Keevan_Colton
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10355
Joined: 2002-12-30 08:57pm
Location: In the Land of Logic and Reason, two doors down from Lilliput and across the road from Atlantis...
Contact:

Post by Keevan_Colton »

boc120 wrote:See? There you go again with the profanity. Can you formulate a decent response without stooping to the level of bad language and name calling?
No because really there isnt a better word in the entire lexicon for you than "Fuckwit".
The BOE in Kansas are elected representatives of the people of the area that they serve.
Which would then be empirical evidence that the majority of the residents of Kansas are similarly, stupid fuckwits like you.
If the people don't like the policies that they are pursuing, they will not re-elect them when their terms run out.
Perhaps you dont grasp the idea of checks and balances on mob rule to prevent a very stupid 51% of people fucking the whole place up for the other 49%.
If the majority of people choose to elect people who have a creationist viewpoint, then that is their choice and there is no reason to berate them.
Who is berating? I'm calling a spade a spade and a fuckwit a fuckwit.

If someone wants to insist that the world was sneezed out the nose of the great green arklesneasure, then that's their fucking problem, when they demand that it is taught as science, then it's everyones problem.

It isnt science it therefore should not be taught as science no matter how fucking popular it is.
That is the will of the people in that area at this time.
Little tip shit for brains: appeal ad populum
"Prodesse Non Nocere."
"It's all about popularity really, if your invisible friend that tells you to invade places is called Napoleon, you're a loony, if he's called Jesus then you're the president."
"I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..."
"All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism.
BOTM - EBC - Horseman - G&C - Vampire
User avatar
Keevan_Colton
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10355
Joined: 2002-12-30 08:57pm
Location: In the Land of Logic and Reason, two doors down from Lilliput and across the road from Atlantis...
Contact:

Post by Keevan_Colton »

boc120 wrote:Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right.
Let me guess you are one of these stupid fucking morons that takes deep offense at a certain collection of vowels and constanants, proof again that you are a prize winning fuckwit.
I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out. I believe that I will move on to a new topic.

Refusing to address points due to the way they are phrased is a potential banning offence. So too is running away from a debate.

As I said, your stay here is likely to be very short.
I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out. Thank you, I hope that you have a nice day.
Appeal ad populum you fucking idiot.
"Prodesse Non Nocere."
"It's all about popularity really, if your invisible friend that tells you to invade places is called Napoleon, you're a loony, if he's called Jesus then you're the president."
"I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..."
"All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism.
BOTM - EBC - Horseman - G&C - Vampire
User avatar
Surlethe
HATES GRADING
Posts: 12267
Joined: 2004-12-29 03:41pm

Post by Surlethe »

boc120 wrote:Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right.
Kiss my ass, and go get bent.
I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out.
Concession accepted, you crusty piece of ass hair.
I believe that I will move on to a new topic.
Good. Maybe then you won't be regaling us with your asinine opinions.
I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out. Thank you, I hope that you have a nice day.
You've probably never read the First Amendment in your life, asshole. Let me educate you:
The US Constitution, Amendment 1, wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Constitution is, in fact, a check on the limit of the mob rule, so fuckwites like the Kansas BoE can't impose religion on the schools by forcing a religious concept masquerading as a scientific theory to be taught in science classrooms. Of course, you probably don't understand the distinction, you piece of pondscum.
A Government founded upon justice, and recognizing the equal rights of all men; claiming higher authority for existence, or sanction for its laws, that nature, reason, and the regularly ascertained will of the people; steadily refusing to put its sword and purse in the service of any religious creed or family is a standing offense to most of the Governments of the world, and to some narrow and bigoted people among ourselves.
F. Douglass
User avatar
Wicked Pilot
Moderator Emeritus
Posts: 8972
Joined: 2002-07-05 05:45pm

Post by Wicked Pilot »

50 years ago Big Bang wasn't nearly the sure thing that it is today. It and Steady State were the two competing theories. Both were scientific theories, but the evidence had yet to declare a winner. In fact, Steady State at the time was the frontrunner. There one could find legitimate controversy, and if the subject of the origins of the universe were to be taught in schools, there would be merit in discussing both theories. 50 years later with the discoveries of Bell Labs, COBE, and others Steady State died, and Big Bang was found the winner. That is why Steady State is not taught, because it failed. Let one thing be very clear, creationism is a failure. And let a different, but just as important thing be clear also, Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory at all, and as such fails from the get go. If you want to teach ideas that are unscientific, or fail to conform to reality there is a place for that, it's called church.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
User avatar
Dalton
For Those About to Rock We Salute You
For Those About to Rock We Salute You
Posts: 22637
Joined: 2002-07-03 06:16pm
Location: New York, the Fuck You State
Contact:

Post by Dalton »

boc120 wrote:Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right. I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out.
Too fucking bad, you wishy-washy imbecile. People like you are the reason why most Americans are dumb as dirt and blindly follow Christian dogma.
boc120 wrote:I believe that I will move on to a new topic. I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out. Thank you, I hope that you have a nice day.
Guess what, motherfucker? This board isn't bound by the laws of the United States, since it's based in Canada. And since this is a private forum, we can enforce any fucking rules we want, which includes insulting and mocking stupid fucking bastards like you who promote forcing your fucking dogma on children in the classroom because you can't find any other goddamn way to sublty shove your fucking bullshit down the throats of the young.

Fuck you and fuck your cronies, fuck the Kansas Board of Education and fuck your whiny "profanity isn't right!" bullshit.
Image
Image
To Absent Friends
Dalton | Admin Smash | Knight of the Order of SDN

"y = mx + bro" - Surlethe
"You try THAT shit again, kid, and I will mod you. I will
mod you so hard, you'll wish I were Dalton." - Lagmonster

May the way of the Hero lead to the Triforce.
User avatar
Ender
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11323
Joined: 2002-07-30 11:12pm
Location: Illinois

Post by Ender »

boc120 wrote:Is there any particular reason that you all are so worried about a competing viewpoint being taught in schools? If your evolution theories are as airtight as you seem to believe, then as long as both are taught equally, you shouldn't have to worry about anyone making the "wrong choice" of God having created the world in 6 days.
Would you be worried about Holocaust denial being taught in schools? If your Holocaust theory is as airtight as most believe, then so long as they are both taught equally, you won't have to worry about anyone making the "wrong choice" of Hitler having massacred 5 million people.

boc120 wrote:If tolerance is as high on the list of your priorities as I have seen claimed, then I don't see why a the first responses to a moderately worded post are met with such profanity and intolerance. But back to the topic at hand.
Tolerence does not equal correct.

The biology teacher at our school, without any forcing from any school board, has always made it his policy to not treat the idea of evolution as a sure thing. He regards it as his duty to show all sides in a fair light and then let the students draw their own conclusions.
Then he needs to be fired for not doing his job. As a science teacher, it is his job to teach scientific facts, not to tell the children to ignore evuidence and make up their own delusions.
If the BOE in Kansas is trying to get fair representation for creationism, then both sides may be heard and then the students there can make their own conclusions as well. If only one idea is taught, such as evolution, then doesn't evolution become a sort of dogma if competing viewpoints are not allowed?
So you would be ok with teaching children that the Holocaust did not happen? After all, it is an alternative viewpoint. If only one idea is taught, such as the holocaust happening, then doesn't the Holocaust become a sort of dogma if competing viewpoints are not allowed?
boc120 wrote:See? There you go again with the profanity. Can you formulate a decent response without stooping to the level of bad language and name calling?
The fact that you are using finer sounding language does nothng to make your viewpoint corect.
The BOE in Kansas are elected representatives of the people of the area that they serve. If the people don't like the policies that they are pursuing, they will not re-elect them when their terms run out. If the majority of people choose to elect people who have a creationist viewpoint, then that is their choice and there is no reason to berate them. That is the will of the people in that area at this time.
The universe does not care about the will of the people. The point of science class is to teach science, not delusions. If the majority of the people there wanted Hitler's philosophies and holocaust denial taught in social studies and history, would you be ok with it?
boc120 wrote:Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right. I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out. I believe that I will move on to a new topic. I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out. Thank you, I hope that you have a nice day.
Democracy supports the exposure of diferent viewpoints and logically considering them. But when is found to have no supporting evidece, such as the case here, then it is suppossed to be completely discarded.

While all ideas have equal right to be expressed, not all ideas are valid. Schools should only teach those that are valid, particularily in science class where such thinking is paramount.
بيرني كان سيفوز
*
Nuclear Navy Warwolf
*
in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro
*
ipsa scientia potestas est
User avatar
SecondToDie
Padawan Learner
Posts: 241
Joined: 2005-06-19 02:45pm
Location: USA

Post by SecondToDie »

boc120 wrote:That is the will of the people in that area at this time.
Not only are you completely ignorant of evolution and science, but you are also completely ignorant of the demographics and politics of Kansas. Only 55% of Kansans support creationism. That isn't a very large majority. And a vast majority of Kansan creationists infest the uneducated, tax-leaching piece of shit known as western Kansas, not eastern Kansas (specifically Johnson County), the part of Kansas that actual matters.

If you come to Johnson County, which makes up about 1/5 of Kansas' population, you'll find that most of the people here actually care about public schools and support evolution. Unsuprisingly, most of our legislators and BOE members support both of these as well. Considering that Johnson County is the most populous and wealthy county in Kansas, is home to the headquarters of several important corporations, has an extremely high population of college graduates, has well-funded and award-winning schools, and has consistently supported public education whereas western Kansans have not, on the issue of teaching evolution the opinion of the more educated and intelligent residents of Johnson County should be more important than that of the Bible-thumping morons of western Kansas.
User avatar
Morilore
Jedi Master
Posts: 1202
Joined: 2004-07-03 01:02am
Location: On a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

Post by Morilore »

You know, that "will of the people" spiel of his strikes me as not only PC bullshit, but downright Orwellian. What was that quote that remarked that what was true in the minds of the people was true completely?
"Guys, don't do that"
User avatar
Mr Bean
Lord of Irony
Posts: 22459
Joined: 2002-07-04 08:36am

Post by Mr Bean »

Even though so many people have already jumped our newest resident Fundie I'll just take issue with his pathetic swearage copout.
Yes, profanity is tolerated on these forums. That doesn't make it right. I don't particularly like it, and therefore will choose not to respond to the name calling and such that you all seem so quick to dish out.
Nevermind the brillant notion that how the message is delivered affect the accurasy of the statement I just have to ask.

Consider the swear words of today are diffrent from those(With the notable except of Fuck which is eternal) barley twenty years ago?

Nevermind the fact that Colton was on the side of truth, justice and small fuzzy kittens. You decided mearly on the basis of lanaugae that your not going to respond.

Good copout there, but considering this source its not exactly a stunning relevation that you don't like facing the truth and will look for the first aviable dodge when faced with the blindingly obivous truths.

"A cult is a religion with no political power." -Tom Wolfe
Pardon me for sounding like a dick, but I'm playing the tiniest violin in the world right now-Dalton
User avatar
Frank Hipper
Overfiend of the Superego
Posts: 12882
Joined: 2002-10-17 08:48am
Location: Hamilton, Ohio?

Post by Frank Hipper »

Why should people be tolerant of promoting ignorance under the guise of "all points of view"?

Why should "all points of view" ever be considered in a science class, when ID doesn't in the slightest resemble a scientific theory?

Why, in a country whose achievements in science, technology, and industry placed it where it is today, should we tolerate anything that promotes anti-science and ignorance?

boc120, I didn't use any of the bad words that hurt you, I'd appreciate your attempting to answer these questions.
Image
Life is all the eternity you get, use it wisely.
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

I love the way fundietards like this boc120 idiot think that tolerance of people is the same thing as tolerance of stupid ideas. When we say that tolerance is good, we mean that fundie idiots should let gay people live their lives and have the same rights as everyone else. When they say "tolerance", they mean that people who want to criticize bad ideas should be silenced. What a bunch of asstards.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
wolveraptor
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4042
Joined: 2004-12-18 06:09pm

Post by wolveraptor »

I humbly plead that he be spared the banstick. This board needs a fundie jackass. It's no fun when they get kicked out before they even reach 20 posts.
"If one needed proof that a guitar was more than wood and string, that a song was more than notes and words, and that a man could be more than a name and a few faded pictures, then Robert Johnson’s recordings were all one could ask for."

- Herb Bowie, Reason to Rock
User avatar
Magnetic
Jedi Knight
Posts: 626
Joined: 2005-07-08 11:23am

Post by Magnetic »

Okay,. . . . . . . .I believe I'm not officially embarrassed to be in the christian religion. :oops:
--->THIS SPACE FOR RENT<---
User avatar
VT-16
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4662
Joined: 2004-05-13 10:01am
Location: Norway

Post by VT-16 »

I have stated my views and if the will of the people isn't enough to decide something, then the vote that approved the First Amendment was worthless and tolerance (religious or otherwise) can be thrown out.
When the will of the people support unfounded ideas, it will be worthless, because the educational system would have failed and your society would gradually crumble.
User avatar
SyntaxVorlon
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5954
Joined: 2002-12-18 08:45pm
Location: Places
Contact:

Post by SyntaxVorlon »

Ah, damn, I missed the fuckwit.
Image
WE, however, do meddle in the affairs of others.
What part of [ Image,Image, N(Image) ] don't you understand?
Skeptical Armada Cynic: ROU Aggressive Logic
SDN Ranger: Skeptical Ambassador
EOD
Mr Golgotha, Ms Scheck, we're running low on skin. I suggest you harvest another lesbian!
Post Reply