Are K-Wings mentioned elsewhere outside Doornik-319?

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2005-09-02 05:20pm

Doornik-319 was the site of a battle between New Republic K-Wing bombers and Yevethan thrustships, as chronicled in The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. The NR assault failed when enough bombers hesitated after hearing the pleas of NR hostages aboard those thrustships were broadcasted to their comlinks.

The only depiction of K-Wings in a certified publication (that I have found at least) appears in The New Essential Chronology. The bomber consists of a central wing with two V-shaped ventral wings protruding to form a K-shape. The bomber also has two cockpit canopies in the front as well as a ball turret near the nose and on top of the canopies.

Here are some computer generated models and artist depictions:

The second image is the one that most closely resembles the K-Wing depicted in The New Essential Chronology.

The K-Wing appears to take elements of both the Republic LAAT, Separatist gunship, and the Y-Wing. Is there any other mention of the K-Wing outside of the BFC in any other book?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-09-02 05:27pm

To my knowledge, only the BFC and the EGC mention the K-wing. In-universe, it was probably an experimental bomber that was deployed only to the 5th fleet and found to be ineffective, or its mission profile was only of use to the 5th fleet, for some reason.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-09-02 05:51pm

Master of Ossus wrote:To my knowledge, only the BFC and the EGC mention the K-wing. In-universe, it was probably an experimental bomber that was deployed only to the 5th fleet and found to be ineffective, or its mission profile was only of use to the 5th fleet, for some reason.

It has a full entry in the New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, in which it indicates that it has become the NR's premiere heavy bomber.

Jack Bauer · Post by **Jack Bauer** » 2005-09-02 06:12pm

Correction: In my original post, I cited that the K-Wing appears in The NEW Essential Chronology. Actually, it appears in The Essential Chronology, the original one. The New Essential Chronology has yet to be published.

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2005-09-02 10:24pm

One very stupid things was that in star wars galaxy, they used BASIC as their language, but Alphabets like A,B,E,K,X keep popping out...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-02 10:30pm

ray245 wrote:One very stupid things was that in star wars galaxy, they used BASIC as their language, but Alphabets like A,B,E,K,X keep popping out...

Where has this occured, aside from overidden and thus non-canonical sources and game mechanics? I can only think of one instance, on the wing of a Corprate Sector Authority fighter in the old Essential Guide to Starships in Vehicles.

Edit: What does this even have to do with the topic at hand?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-09-02 11:14pm

I think he means that there shouldn't be X-Wings or Y-Wings, etc... because the letters X, Y, A, B, K, E, and such aren't supposed to exist in the GFFA. The written form of Basic is aurebesh, which doesn't look a thing like the western alphabet.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-09-02 11:22pm

Damn, the K-wing was a sweet ship. Another reason why the BFC was one of the better SW trilogies

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2005-09-03 12:27am

Thirdfain wrote:Damn, the K-wing was a sweet ship. Another reason why the BFC was one of the better SW trilogies

Take that back.

Although I like the K-Wing, BFC Trilogy was utter crap.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-03 12:55am

Doornik-319?

Did they seriously take a line from Disney's The Cat From Outer Space and make it a planet name?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-09-03 01:12am

Admiral Drason wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Damn, the K-wing was a sweet ship. Another reason why the BFC was one of the better SW trilogies
Take that back.

Although I like the K-Wing, BFC Trilogy was utter crap.

BFC was one of the few EU trilogies I read with interesting characters, an involved plot, and new themes. The New Class fleet was awesome, the political maneuvering was fun, and the absence of the RAR EBIL EMPERIALS all made the series better.

OK, the Vagabond C plotline sucked, but I just wound up skipping those chapters and enjoying the whole thing.

BFC was some of the best political drama in Star Wars EU literature

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-09-03 02:48am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Doornik-319?

Did they seriously take a line from Disney's The Cat From Outer Space and make it a planet name?

Holy crap! No wonder it sounds familiar.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-03 02:51am

the Alfabet fighters ain't a problem as Basic has equilevants to our letters, but what is a problem are designations of the Aethersprite and the Actis (Delta-7 and Eta-2)

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-09-03 04:00am

I think the K-wing was mentioned in one or two of the NJO novels, but I can't remember which ones. K-wings also served with distinction during the BFC in the battles of ILC-905, Wakiza, and N'zoth. Also, the K-wing has an entry dedicated to it in the NEGV&V.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-09-03 03:33pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Admiral Drason wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Damn, the K-wing was a sweet ship. Another reason why the BFC was one of the better SW trilogies
Take that back.

Although I like the K-Wing, BFC Trilogy was utter crap.
BFC was one of the few EU trilogies I read with interesting characters, an involved plot, and new themes. The New Class fleet was awesome, the political maneuvering was fun, and the absence of the RAR EBIL EMPERIALS all made the series better.

OK, the Vagabond C plotline sucked, but I just wound up skipping those chapters and enjoying the whole thing.

BFC was some of the best political drama in Star Wars EU literature

It is ludicrously minimalist, though. It has Curuscant with natural forests and oceans, a direct contradiction of canon an other EU; it has the NR controlling only around 10,000 planets, one percent of the million worlds the Death Star would bring under the direct control of the Empire; and it has only five fleets of around a hundred ships for the NR fleet, the fifth fleet's largest vessel was only around 1,100 meters.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-09-03 03:35pm

I thought the Coruscant landscape was artificial.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-09-03 06:19pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:I thought the Coruscant landscape was artificial.

Thats what I'm saying. The BFC author decided it was absurd to have a city planet and therefore protrayed Curuscant with one very large city and then basically the rest of the planet being natural.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-03 06:34pm

Quadlok wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:I thought the Coruscant landscape was artificial.
Thats what I'm saying. The BFC author decided it was absurd to have a city planet and therefore protrayed Curuscant with one very large city and then basically the rest of the planet being natural.

Has this error ever been reteconned, or is it simply non-canon due to being overridden by later work (and at least a hundred sources)?

Grammarian Me: And its Coruscant.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2005-09-03 06:42pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Has this error ever been reteconned, or is it simply non-canon due to being overridden by later work (and at least a hundred sources)?

Grammarian Me: And its Coruscant.

Its just non-canon, as it is explicitly contradicted by the movies.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-03 06:45pm

Its just non-canon, as it is explicitly contradicted by the movies.

Which would be three (PT) of the aformentioned hundred-odd sources, if of the highest level.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-03 07:32pm

Quadlok wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:I thought the Coruscant landscape was artificial.
Thats what I'm saying. The BFC author decided it was absurd to have a city planet and therefore protrayed Curuscant with one very large city and then basically the rest of the planet being natural.

Coruscant.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-09-03 07:40pm

Quadlok wrote:
It is ludicrously minimalist, though. It has Curuscant with natural forests and oceans, a direct contradiction of canon an other EU; it has the NR controlling only around 10,000 planets, one percent of the million worlds the Death Star would bring under the direct control of the Empire; and it has only five fleets of around a hundred ships for the NR fleet, the fifth fleet's largest vessel was only around 1,100 meters.

Who gives a shit? Technowank doesn't make something *better.* I can write a a movie script about 40,000,000 KM long superbattleships firing miniature suns at 80 times c, but it won't make the story good.

So, he got the obscure technical details wrong. He's hardly the first EU author to do as much. His story still rocked.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-03 07:42pm

It wasn't that he got it wrong, but that he stubornly insisted that the primary depiction of Coruscant was wrong.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-09-03 07:43pm

Compared to Zahn or KJA (80 Vics threatening the NR, anyone?) BFC wasn't all that bad in the minimalism. The whole Qella sidestory was retarded, though.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-09-03 07:45pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Quadlok wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:I thought the Coruscant landscape was artificial.
Thats what I'm saying. The BFC author decided it was absurd to have a city planet and therefore protrayed Curuscant with one very large city and then basically the rest of the planet being natural.
Has this error ever been reteconned, or is it simply non-canon due to being overridden by later work (and at least a hundred sources)?

Grammarian Me: And its Coruscant.

Its technicaly overidden by the movies. However Star by Star and Edge of Victory I reconcile it. The Great Western Sea is an artifical lake on stilts that sits over a small part of the cityscape. Where the rich go to paddle around for a while sometimes.