A Post-Conquest Survivor Borg Stratergy

[Solauren]

The Empire completely controls the Star Wars galaxy, no resistance, no rebellion. the Ssi-ruvvi and the Vong were stomped flat, the Unknown Regions conquered, the Gree Enclave conquered, etc.

The Emperor gets bored, and orders invasions of other galaxies. Target #1; Star Trek. The Empire blitzs Star Trek, and during it, the Borg Queen goes 'oh crap, we can't win in a straight up fight!' So....

The Borg queen hides a 'seed', with the entire knowledge of the collective, inside a baby borg drone with maybe non-brain implants, and uses an obtained Imperial biological weapon to wipe out the drones on the cube, except for the maturation chambers. Perfect set up to convince who ever finds the cube the virus never made it to the maturation chambers, and the chambers have been in 'standby mode', maintaing the baby borg since the infection.

20 years later, the Empire has conquered numerous galaxies (if not the entire local galactic cluster), probably invaded and controls the same amount of territory in fludic space, and possible Otherspace. (cookie for the reference)

Pre-Imperial invasion artifacts become a big seller (the current heir to the imperial throne collects them), and some salvage hunters find an abandoned borg cube. Long story short, they find the 'baby borg queen', remove the implants, and one of them adopts the precious little child

At at 6, the Borg mind emerges in secret, and the child gets nearly perfect marks in school. (Bad on manners, good on tech). When it reachs the right age, it attends various universities, learning Star Wars tech, and modifying her knowledge of Borg tech to augment it accordingly.

Eventually, it enrolls in the Imperial Academy, graduates with top honors, and serves a tour of duty with the Imperial navy.

During it's stint at schools, the drone planted numerous 'sleepers' in case it fails. A system is in place for the sleepers to wake at random intervals and check if another is active. If there current 'host' dies, they can travel to another. Kinda like a virus that doesn't show up on senors.

Now then, in this position..
The Borg drone at this point decides to start rebuilding the collective from within the Empire.

#1- If the drone in question was the Borg queen, how would it proceed, and would it succeed?

#2- How would you proceed? The instict to rebuild the Borg is completely unremovable from you. And offing yourself won't matter, as you know about the sleepers, but that's it. Even if you told the Empire about them, that wouldn't help. (This is an unavoidable condition of this scenario, so you have to think how you'd do things)

#3- Given time, could the Borg 'pull a Sith' off, or will they get stomped again by the Empire? Eventually the Empire will find a way to detect and elminate the sleepers. Assume that if the Borg don't succeed within 40 years, the sleepers are found and removed by the Empire, ending the possiblity of a 'Borg resurrection'

[brianeyci]

Before we even start analyzing the possibility of sleeper Borg, no evidence in Trek supports your idea that the Borg have such technology, capability or inclination. Picard didn't know everything the Borg collective knew, or such information would have probably made its way into LCARS. Classified no doubt, but when you have things like the Omega Directive and "gigaquads" of useless information, Janeway should have had more information about the Borg than she already did.

It goes without saying that the Borg have never been observed to use such a strategy. Not only that, but when the Borg created an "assimilation" cloud in VOY, the Queen mentioned it being experimental and needing Seven's help to complete. This assimilation cloud was to be used on humans because they were a "highly resistant species". Seven knew nothing about it, so the Queen had thought of it. This points to the Borg using brute force strategies as the norm, since "assimilation clouds" should be used more frequently if the Borg had any inclination to use covert strategems.

There is even no proof that the Queen can know everything the collective knows, as we never see a Queen disconnected from the collective. Even if we did, there is evidence from Borg vinculums that the Queen is merely a figurehead rather than the leader of the whole collective (quotes and references can be provided).

So what you are doing really is giving the Borg a capability they have never demonstrated, either technologically or in their characterization.

Brian

[brianeyci]

Oh one more note. Seven only maintained her loyalty to the Borg because she was raised by the Borg, and then only for a short while after becoming friends with Janeway. Sleeper Borg, raised by human parents from childhood, would probably reject their Borg heritage unless there was some implant in the Borg to control their willpower or take physical control of their body, which frankly we've never seen done other than with nightmares which Picard had. Saying the Borg can bend anybody to their will is a capability the Borg have never demonstrated, especially since we know the Borg turn drones into zombies to control them.

Brian

[Sidewinder]

How does the "Sleeper" work? Is it a cybernetic implant, like the FREAK mod chips in 'Hellsing' that changed normal humans into ghouls and vampires? Even if it's nanotech, there are ways to find and destroy it, as demonstrated in the 'Jedi Quest' trilogy. If the Emperor is a Sith lord, as I assume he/she is, he/she'll quickly find out about the "Sleepers" and order the development of countermeasures. Even if the Borg queen can counter this tactic, the need to develop counter-countermeasures and counter-counter-countermeasures would use up so much time and resources that the Borg resurrection plan would be in limbo.

Besides, considering the Sith ability to mind-control someone-- demonstrated in the 'Thrawn' trilogy-- what's stopping the Emperor from brainwashing the resurrected Borg to be his/her slaves?

[FOG3]

Couldn't the thing from the Thrawn trilogy count as Battle Meditation?

[Noble Ire]

Couldn't the thing from the Thrawn trilogy count as Battle Meditation?

Yes, the technique used by both Palpatine and Joruus Ca'both is almost identical to Battle Meditation.

[Solauren]

The closest sleeper comparison I can think of is ala the Joker in 'Batman Beyond, Return of the Joker'

I know it's probably outside the Borg abilites Brian, I just needed a setup. (shrugs)

As to the Emperor brain-washing the Borg, assume they Borg avoids the Emperor and high level force users. I mean, they'd sense what the Borg was so damn easy, with our without technological implants in the Borg

[Sidewinder]

Couldn't the thing from the Thrawn trilogy count as Battle Meditation?

I was thinking of General Covell, the Imperial officer who Thrawn ordered to take C'baoth to Mount Tantiss. I'll quote 'The Last Command' now:

"You think C'baoth did something to Covell?" Pellaeon asked quietly.

"I see no other likely explanation," Thrawn said. "My guess is that our beloved Jedi Master was trying to take over Covell's mind, perhaps even replacing entire sections of it with his own. When they hit the ysalamir bubble and he lost direct contact, there wasn't enough of Covell left to keep him alive for long.

C'baoth claimed that even Palpatine was incapable of this power, which may be beyond what Battle Meditation can accomplish.

[NecronLord]

20 years later, the Empire has conquered numerous galaxies (if not the entire local galactic cluster), probably invaded and controls the same amount of territory in fludic space, and possible Otherspace. (cookie for the reference)

You don't seem to comprehend the difficulty of taking and controlling even one at their scale. Their logistics can't hack that. Who do you think they are, the Daleks?

And no. No human could learn the sum of real knowledge by conventional means. Absorbing enough information to 'know star wars tech' by going to university is impossible. This is why we have specialities...

[Solauren]

20 years later, the Empire has conquered numerous galaxies (if not the entire local galactic cluster), probably invaded and controls the same amount of territory in fludic space, and possible Otherspace. (cookie for the reference)

You don't seem to comprehend the difficulty of taking and controlling even one at their scale. Their logistics can't hack that. Who do you think they are, the Daleks?

Actually, there are hints that with a little creativity, the Empire could do that no problem, but that's beside the point.

And no. No human could learn the sum of real knowledge by conventional means. Absorbing enough information to 'know star wars tech' by going to university is impossible. This is why we have specialities...

There we go, the plan is stopped in it's tracks when the Borg-sleeper can't even accomplish the first stage of it's mission.

Unless...

Would a implant like Lobot's 'shrining wraps around the back of his head' implant let you hold all that information, or access a database with it.

Probably not.

So, the odds are, the Borg sleeper fails miserably.

Boy, even the creative Vs are getting shut down nowadays....

[MicroBalrog]

So, the odds are, the Borg sleeper fails miserably.

One Borg sleeper.

Why just one?