Evolution Schmevolution

raptor3x · Post by **raptor3x** » 2005-09-10 08:25pm

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/200 ... schme.html

Science vs. Religion. Evolution vs. Creation. It is an age-old battle whose time has come. “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” will gather together all the experts (or at least those who will talk to them), travel to the places that matter in the debate (basic cable budget permitting) and ultimately settle the controversy once and for all. “Evolution Schmevolution: A Daily Show Special Report” will premiere on Monday, September 12 and air nightly at 11:00 p.m. through September 15.

For one full week, “The Daily Show” goes in-depth, around, through and quite possibly under, one of the hottest hot-button issues facing our nation: evolution. It’s the accepted theory on the origin of life by an overwhelming majority of the world’s biologists, but maybe they’re all wrong. What’s so great about the scientific method anyway?

Can't wait.

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2005-09-10 10:52pm

Well, looks like something came in to shatter my months long break from watching T.V. -_-
This should be interesting to see.

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-09-10 10:54pm

ROCK ON. *gets blank tape*

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-09-12 11:37am

*Sets alarm on tv to automatically turn on and to CC* This oughta be good. We should have a Jon Stewart Appreciation Day, if he thoroughly owns the creationists and intelligent designists.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-09-12 11:45am

FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-09-12 11:46am

I love the ad:

"Did we evolve over millions of years? Or did God create us in six days? Or... did something that acts a lot like God intelligently design us?"

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-09-12 01:00pm

The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.

...what religion is there behind evolution?

Anyway, I am VERY much looking forward to it. I hope I can find it to download after, if it's as good as I'm expecting it to be...

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-09-12 01:22pm

Molyneux wrote:
The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.
...what religion is there behind evolution?

I have no idea

supposedly Darwin was a racist though

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-09-12 01:48pm

The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.

By "how much religion is behind the evolution", do you mean that there's alot of religious people who support evolution? If so, then that's kind of a "no shit sherlock" statement.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-09-12 02:02pm

FedRebel wrote:
Molyneux wrote:
The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.
...what religion is there behind evolution?
I have no idea

supposedly Darwin was a racist though

Bullshit. You may be thinking of Social Darwinism, which took his good name, fucked it up the ass for a few hours, then claimed that they were following his ideas.

Darwin himself was, by all accounts, a pretty interesting guy. He gradually changed from a devout Christian to an agnostic over the course of his life (He did NOT have a deathbed conversion!), was at odds with the first proponents of eugenics (including one of his cousins), and seems to have been pleasant in personality.

Post by **Coyote** » 2005-09-12 02:31pm

Jon Stewart has already theorized that it is only a matter of time when NASA will betaken out of government hands and is instead run by the church...

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-09-12 02:40pm

General Zod wrote:
The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.
By "how much religion is behind the evolution", do you mean that there's alot of religious people who support evolution? If so, then that's kind of a "no shit sherlock" statement.

I agree on both counts. I was just getting annoyed at how they lump Religion into the vs. Science category rather arbiterily, especially in this particular case.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-09-12 03:24pm

The Guid wrote:
General Zod wrote:
The Guid wrote:FS. Science vs. Religion has nothing to do with Creationism vs. Evolution. To make a clear dividing line is to forget how much religion is behind the evolution and how many people claiming to be scientists are behind the Creationist lines.
By "how much religion is behind the evolution", do you mean that there's alot of religious people who support evolution? If so, then that's kind of a "no shit sherlock" statement.
I agree on both counts. I was just getting annoyed at how they lump Religion into the vs. Science category rather arbiterily, especially in this particular case.

Intelligent Design/Creationism vs. Evolution, for all intents and purposes, -is- religion vs science. Given the sheer amount of times it's been debunked, it should be pretty obvious that creationism simply isn't a valid scientific theory, and basically is another fancy way of saying "We know that life is really really complex, and we can't explain everything. Therefore God did it."

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-09-12 03:40pm

Molyneux wrote:
FedRebel wrote:
Molyneux wrote: ...what religion is there behind evolution?
I have no idea

supposedly Darwin was a racist though
Bullshit. You may be thinking of Social Darwinism, which took his good name, fucked it up the ass for a few hours, then claimed that they were following his ideas.

That's why the word "supposedly" was used

I don't hold this position however some cheap creationist sites try to use quotes from personal letters to their advantage, and then there's my Psyc 101 professor who tries to convince his classes of this.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2005-09-12 03:54pm

Darwins Conversion, what I have:
The Lady Hope Story: A Widespread Falsehood
A few more details on the spread of the story and its subsequent rebuttal,
taken from the book "The Survival of Charles Darwin: a Biography of a Man and
an Idea" by Ronald W. Clark, published by Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1985
(p. 199)

`Shortly after his death, Lady Hope addressed a gathering of young men and
women at the educational establishment founded by the evangelist Dwight Lyman
Moody at Northfield, Massachusetts. She had, she maintained, visited Darwin on
his deathbed. He had been reading the Epistle to the Hebrews, had asked for
the local Sunday school to sing in a summerhouse on the grounds, and had
confessed: "How I wish I had not expressed my theory of evolution as I have
done." He went on, she said, to say that he would like her to gather a
congregation since he "would like to speak to them of Christ Jesus and His
salvation, being in a state where he was eagerly savouring the heavenly
anticipation of bliss."

`With Moody's encouragement, Lady Hope's story was printed in the Boston
_Watchman Examiner_. The story spread, and the claims were republished as late
as October 1955 in the _Reformation Review_ and in the _Monthly Record of the
Free Church of Scotland_ in February 1957. These attempts to fudge Darwin's
story had already been exposed for what they were, first by his daughter
Henrietta after they had been revived in 1922. "I was present at his
deathbed," she wrote in the _Christian_ for February 23, 1922. "Lady Hope was
not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even
saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of
thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then
or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A.
. . . The whole story has no foundation whatever."' (Ellipsis is in the book)

Clark's source for Lady Hope's supposed quotations of Darwin is given as
"Down, the Home of the Darwins: The Story of a House and the People Who Lived
There" by Sir Hedley Atkins KBE, published by Phillimore for the Royal College
of Surgeons of England, 1974.

Henrietta's rebuttal is referenced more fully as: Mrs R B Litchfield, "Charles
Darwin's Death-Bed: Story of Conversion Denied," _The Christian_, February 23,
1922, p. 12.

Haruko · Post by **Haruko** » 2005-09-12 05:03pm

FedRebel wrote:supposedly Darwin was a racist though

You should read the article by Michael Wong at his Creationism versus Science site by which deals with that supposition, if you haven't already:

Evolution & White Supremacism.

vargo · Post by **vargo** » 2005-09-12 05:38pm

Haruko wrote:
FedRebel wrote:supposedly Darwin was a racist though
You should read the article by Michael Wong at his Creationism versus Science site by which deals with that supposition, if you haven't already:

Evolution & White Supremacism.

I love his Hate Mail.......

Haruko · Post by **Haruko** » 2005-09-12 06:56pm

vargo wrote:I love his Hate Mail.......

I enjoyed reading them as well. I only wished there was more, and perhaps by more intelligent and civil people.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-09-13 07:13am

So, after the first installment...

Damn, but that old lady they interviewed was creepy. The rest of it was great, though...my roomie and I almost fell over laughing at a few parts.

Loner · Post by **Loner** » 2005-09-13 10:08am

Anybody able to get a screencap of the fire-breathing giraffe?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-09-13 02:26pm

Haruko wrote:Evolution & White Supremacism.

I would note that, should Mike read this, the page is wrong in listing Palestinians as seperate from Arabs. They're as 'Semitic' as the Jews according to the biblical mentality, given that Palestinians are to all intents and purpouses, a group of Arabs.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-09-13 03:48pm

Loner wrote:Anybody able to get a screencap of the fire-breathing giraffe?

I second that motion. A fire-breathing giraffe sounds too cool for words.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2005-09-13 04:11pm

The Guid wrote:I agree on both counts. I was just getting annoyed at how they lump Religion into the vs. Science category rather arbiterily, especially in this particular case.

Science and religion are polar opposites. As disciplines and philosophies they are diametrically opposed in almost every single way. They can coexist, but only by making concessions to each other- agreeing on areas where one is absent and the other dominates. Yes, there are religious scientists- they just leave their science at the door when they go to church and (hopefully) leave their religion at the door when they go to work.

Whenever you're debating on which one takes preference in any given area (e.g. school) you have a "science vs. religion" conflict.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-09-13 05:24pm

Loner wrote:Anybody able to get a screencap of the fire-breathing giraffe?

I loved that scene! And a firebreathing giraffe would kick pretty good ass. If I were God, I'd definately fix that one. And maybe also make elephants have bulletproof skin...

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-09-14 12:15am

Hell, bring Giger's Alien to life an unleash a dozen in a quiet rural community in Kansas. I'd fall down on my knees in rapture.