Fundi saying God made the creation LOOK old...

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2005-09-14 11:58am

Darth Servo wrote:
drachefly wrote:Problem: The claim is not that record-keeping was maintained all the way from Adam through Noah to Moses and onward; but that God recounted all of the earlier events to Moses, at which point they were recorded and maintained from that point onward.
Of course the end of Deuteronomy clearly refutes the idea that Moses wrote down the entire five books since it talks about his own death.

Deut 34:5-12 wrote:So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and amourning for Moses were ended.

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,

12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.
There is no way Moses personally wrote any of that, even if you are a full-blown fundi YEC.

Yes, that seems to be a bit of an inconsistancy, especially if you note that the grammar of the writing didn't change. There's also within those verses another of the inconsistancies. It has to do with "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,"

But, in Exodus 33:20 the Bible says...
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Anyway, valid points.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-09-14 04:47pm

Magnetic wrote:There's also within those verses another of the inconsistancies. It has to do with "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,"

But, in Exodus 33:20 the Bible says...
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Anyway, valid points.

Yes, whether humans can see God's face is one of the biggest self-contradictions in the Bible with at least half a dozen verses on each side of the issue.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/seen.html

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-09-14 10:32pm

God has a face? I imagine he's one ugly motherfucker. You don't live for an eternity without facial cream and look good.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-14 10:36pm

wolveraptor wrote:God has a face? I imagine he's one ugly motherfucker. You don't live for an eternity without facial cream and look good.

Apparently, he is (at least according to South Park.) Kind of like a cross between a midget hippo and a filthy alley cat.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-09-14 11:14pm

The apologetic responses I've run into was "talking face to face as a friend" means that they were talking casually or something. Bull and shit, I say.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-09-15 07:10pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:The apologetic responses I've run into was "talking face to face as a friend" means that they were talking casually or something. Bull and shit, I say.

Those idiots don't seem to realize that "talking face to face as a friend" means you can see the guys face. Talking to your friend on the phone is NOT face to face. Talking to your friend as he's leaving the scene is NOT face to face. Talking to him in front of his FACE IS. I guess Moses and the other people closed their eyes when talking to God?