Question

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-07-26 10:24pm

Is it true that B&B decided and stated that TOS is not canon?
I read this on the sectioin31 site and really cannot believe it. I know this is a wars site, but you guys seem to know more about ST than many of the ST people.
Is this really true? TOS is not canon???

-Jack "Thanks again" Lain.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-26 10:34pm

I certainly hope not. TOS is the only ST series with healthy levels of technobabble.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 10:39pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:I certainly hope not. TOS is the only ST series with healthy levels of technobabble.

God I hope not. Those two should be fired, if they ever have.

On the other hand, such an attitude on their part would explain a lot about Enterprise.

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-07-26 10:44pm

OMG!!! I just found this quote on the same site.

"I believe it was Gene Roddenberry who said TOS is not canon because it did not fit his idea and image of Star Trek."

This has to be misrepresentation. Why would GR state this? I think the section31 ppl or someone else is lying. I find it very hard to believe that GR would actually say this. Why would he do this? Someone is lying. Admittedly, I do not want to believe that the adventures of Kirk, Spock and Bones are not real. Crap!!! This is the only Star Trek that I actually like!!! You must be kidding me???

-Jack "WTF? Someone is misquoting!" Lain.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-26 11:59pm

Well, what is "Roddenberry's image of Star Trek"? Still, he's , and the decision isn't up to him.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 12:07am

Jack Lain wrote:OMG!!! I just found this quote on the same site.

"I believe it was Gene Roddenberry who said TOS is not canon because it did not fit his idea and image of Star Trek."

This has to be misrepresentation. Why would GR state this? I think the section31 ppl or someone else is lying. I find it very hard to believe that GR would actually say this. Why would he do this? Someone is lying. Admittedly, I do not want to believe that the adventures of Kirk, Spock and Bones are not real. Crap!!! This is the only Star Trek that I actually like!!! You must be kidding me???

-Jack "WTF? Someone is misquoting!" Lain.

Which of the two-headed moron said this? Berman? I'll bet it was that numbskull. In any case, I cannot accept this as being true, but.... what if it is? Then we'll be left with... Enterprise as the beginnings of the Federation?

Archer says to Picard/Janeway/Sisko/other Federation captains: "Guys, I am your father."

"NOOOOOOOOO!"

So, did Generations take place, or is that non-canon because it had Kirk? Are the ST movies still okay, even before FC, Insurrection, and Generations?

I'm so confused. Oh, dear, oh dear oh dear....

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-27 12:08am

Fired!!! B&B should be placed into burlap bags and beaten.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 12:11am

Holy crap, what does that mean about TNG? Some of their episodes had cameos by members of the original cast. Did those episodes still happen? What's my last name, people? I don't know what to believe anymore....

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 12:14am

And TNG crewmembers went onboard DS9! Did THAT happen? And then we saw the Maquis fighting in DS9, and they were on Voyager! What if Enterprise is the only officially canon ST series, in spite of its craptaculance? OMFG!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-27 12:21am

TNG members went onboard? 2 of them became main members of the crew - thus DS9 is invalid and Voyager stops off at DS9 so Voyager goes (silver lining?) thus yes Enterprise is all we have.

The enterprise NX-01 Vs the Empire - that should be fun.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 12:27am

Why would he do such a thing, it doesn't make any sense, waaaahhhh

So, Spock's been dead the whole time? Like in the Sixth Sense? No.

"Imagine if your most important memories, your greatest moments, had never even happened? What kind of hell would that be?"

Why would Enterprise be part of Gene's vision?

Wait a minute! ST:FC showed us the meeting between the Phoenix's staff, Cochrane, and the Romulans. Did *that* happen? WTF! What if NO ST is canon?

Vapthorne · Post by **Vapthorne** » 2002-07-27 12:58am

This seems to be trivial since DS9 and VOY are already invalid.

But remember in one episode, Sisko traveled back in time into the TOS' Tribble episode, and Janeway got mindmelded into Tuvok's memories when he served on the Excelsor in ST:6. So in a more direct sense, TNG, DS9, and VOY are wiped away in canon.

B&B, this is way you must MAINTAIN continuity, show you don't shoot yourselves in the foot.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-27 01:15am

What was it that they said? "Don't worry, continuity is airtight. We know, We know."

Well, if there is nothing to contiue, then continuity is safe... in that sort of Assinine method...

Vapthorne · Post by **Vapthorne** » 2002-07-27 01:26am

Good point.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-27 01:30am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Wait a minute! ST:FC showed us the meeting between the Phoenix's staff, Cochrane, and the Romulans. Did *that* happen? WTF! What if NO ST is canon?

It was the Vulcans...not the Romulans.

Well if no ST is canon, than all ST is canon......does that make sense?

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-07-27 02:08am

Hum...it appears so. All of Star Trek is safely non-canon.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-07-27 02:16am

TOS not canon! That was probably the best ST series.

Does anyone know if B&B practice recycling? They seem to be doing that with the scripts for Enterprise. Take generic ST script, film, and repeat.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-07-27 11:05am

TOS not cannon? How- wierd. Indeed- the mind boggles.

Regarding Gene Rodenberry; it is true that TOS wasn't his definitive vision of the ST universe- TNG was. Hence the popular and oh so true, sometime between TOS and TNG- their balls just dropped off.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-27 11:19am

Vympel wrote:TOS not cannon? How- wierd. Indeed- the mind boggles.

Regarding Gene Rodenberry; it is true that TOS wasn't his definitive vision of the ST universe- TNG was. Hence the popular and oh so true, sometime between TOS and TNG- their balls just dropped off.

TOS had better be cannon because

1> Kirk is the Star Fleet Captain out there.

2> So much of TNG has to do with things found in TOS, destroying the cannon of TOS is like pulling the bottom card out of a house of cards

3> The Enterprise 1701 (no bloody, A, B, C, or, D) is the best version of the Ship despite the poor special effects!

4> If nothing Star Trek is "cannon" then Treekies won't have anything to argue about!

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-28 10:01pm

If none of ST is canon, that means we won't have to deal with rabid Trekkies anymore. Yay! But wait, what will we do with our time now?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-28 10:35pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Wait a minute! ST:FC showed us the meeting between the Phoenix's staff, Cochrane, and the Romulans. Did *that* happen? WTF! What if NO ST is canon?
It was the Vulcans...not the Romulans.

Well if no ST is canon, than all ST is canon......does that make sense?

Ooops, I did mean the Vulcans. I was typing without thinking. A bad habit.

Still, though, no ST appears to be canon, as every ST incident appears to tie together.

BTW, there is no CHANCE that Enterprise is what Gene was envisioning when he created ST.

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-08-01 02:03pm

They could have said it, but probably disreguarded it. They have an Episode Coming up...

SPOILERS FOR ENTERPRISE BELOW!!!
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...for Enterprise, ( Ithink the third or second episode) that feautures the Romulans and they said they didn't interrupt the continuity established by the TOS, that no human had seen a romulan up til "The Enterprise Incident"

Rommie

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-08-01 02:44pm

Actually the first time when Federation saw a Romulan was in "Balance of Terror", the sixth episode of TOS. An idea occured to me how it would be possible to make an Enterprise episode about Romulans without screwing the continuity, and I don't mean it in the same way they introduced the Ferengi without mentioning their name in the ep. Because Romulans and Vulcans are genetically the same, it would be easy for Romulans to inflitrate Earth and other places without problems.

One of the reasons why TNG-era Trek became so 'wussy', is Roddenberry's fault: he wasn't satisfied with the 'militaristic direction' that the movies were going. Too bad, because IMO no Trek has achieved better feel than the TOS movies, excluding TMP and STV.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-01 02:54pm

I think I can hear something.

Yup that;s the sound of the Star Trek franchise going down the toilet,

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-08-01 02:55pm

Romulan_nemesis wrote:They could have said it, but probably disreguarded it. They have an Episode Coming up...

SPOILERS FOR ENTERPRISE BELOW!!!
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...for Enterprise, ( Ithink the third or second episode) that feautures the Romulans and they said they didn't interrupt the continuity established by the TOS, that no human had seen a romulan up til "The Enterprise Incident"

Rommie

B&B are even MORE RETARDED than I ever suspected. They cite to "Enterprise Incident" as the first appearance of the Romulans?!?!?

GODAMNIT they are too stupid to live!! Ugh....Now am I suppose to BELIEVE this quote from the idiots: "The continuity is airtight. Believe me. We know. We know." Yeah, you know DICK!!!