Was Grievous killed by the first shot?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-20 07:02pm

OK this has bothering me a bit, was Gen Grievous incapacitated by first shot and Obi-wan fired 4 more shot to be sure. Since to me it seemed that he started to recover from the first shot when the second shot hit and only final three were to make sure.

What do you think?

Star Wars Fan · Post by **Star Wars Fan** » 2005-09-20 07:09pm

I don't think the 1st shot killed him

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-09-20 09:07pm

It probably would have killed him or at least done some major damage given time, since we clearly saw that something in his gutsack had ignited and wasn't going out. However, that wasn't working quick enough, so Obi-wan kept pumping out the shots.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-20 09:58pm

He was in pretty bad shape. I'd say if he didn't get immediate medical attention (did he have medical gear in his ship? it's just a tiny fighter) he may have died. After the second or third shot, he was definately mortally wounded, the rest were overkill. I'm sure Obi-Wan just wanted to make sure the guy couldn't take him out with his last breath so to speak.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-20 10:00pm

Kurgan wrote:He was in pretty bad shape. I'd say if he didn't get immediate medical attention (did he have medical gear in his ship? it's just a tiny fighter) he may have died.

I think he would have died anyway from the first shot, in a matter of minutes if not under one.

I mean, seriously, his internal organs were on fire...

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-20 10:22pm

Which is why I qualified my statement "if he didn't get immediate medical attention." If he had facilities like Palpatine did, I'm sure he could bounce back from something like that. He must have not had much faith in his opponents, he didn't even carry a fire extinguisher with him for occasions like this!

In a way, Grevious reminds me of another over confident movie-villian, General Katana, from Highlander II. Huge attitude, lots of hatred and sadism, but in the end, he doesn't really hold up against anybody competent.

But I digress. In any case I agree that the first shot was pretty nasty, and would have taken Grevious out of the fight. Obi-Wan didn't give him that chance, and Grevious was so surprised after the first shot, it apparently didn't register that he was in trouble.

Why didn't Grevious, after his chest plates were first pried open, use his superior strength to "push them back" into place? Major over-sight in the heat of battle. He obviously never played through House of the Dead 2.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-20 10:28pm

"Immediate medical attention" or not (which just strikes me as BS), I think he would have eventually died anyway from the first shot within minutes, if that long. Seriously, his organs were on fire, and pretty much burnt up within seconds. Grievous was handed death with that first shot, and nothing could have prevented that, as I understand his current cyborg state (those organs were left for a reason, after all).

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-20 10:53pm

Why not give him artificial (or replacement) organs?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-20 11:00pm

What, you mean after he's dead because his original organs burnt up?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-20 11:01pm

You know what I mean.

How do they replace anyone's organs, what after they're dead from their organs failing?

If Obi-Wan had fallen off the cliff after the first shot, and Grevious had had Palpatine's medical team waiting, he couldn't have survived? I would at least think he'd have a chance, a pretty good one probably.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-20 11:12pm

If Obi-Wan had fallen after the first shot, I think Grievous would have either dropped dead on his way to his fighter or while taking off. Seriously, his organs were burning up. I know I keep saying that, but I don't think you actually understand the seriousness and gravity of Grievous' situation.

I cannot see in any way Grievous surviving the first shot for even five minutes.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2005-09-20 11:35pm

Maybe if Grievous had Palpatine's med team waiting with a fire extenguisher on the landing pad.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2005-09-21 12:11am

Nah, he could have waited several hours, like Anakin, and would have still survived.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-21 12:58am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:If Obi-Wan had fallen after the first shot, I think Grievous would have either dropped dead on his way to his fighter or while taking off. Seriously, his organs were burning up. I know I keep saying that, but I don't think you actually understand the seriousness and gravity of Grievous' situation.

I cannot see in any way Grievous surviving the first shot for even five minutes.

Then again for all we know Obi-Wan could have survived the fall, he just wanted to continue the fight with Grevious, since here was the chance to take out a key Seperatist leader and more quickly end the war...

So is Obi-Wan just a bloodthirsty bastard or was this a mercy killing, in your view?

Xess wrote:Maybe if Grievous had Palpatine's med team waiting with a fire extenguisher on the landing pad.

A good point. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a fire extinguisher in the cockpit of his ship (seems like a sensible enough safety device to have around in emergencies). A simple first aid kit (tailored to Grevious's particular needs) could keep hold him together until he reached whatever med station was handy. Didn't Vader keep medical equipment close at hand with him? I imagine somebody like Grevious would do the same, unless he was a complete moron (maybe he was). No guarentee that he'd get the right treatments in time, but still. My point is that while serious, the first shot need not be fatal.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-09-21 05:47am

*Tries to picture Grievous applying first aid to his own gut-sack and stay coherent enough to pilot afterwards. *

*Fails*

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-21 10:11am

Well Grievous is more Machine then man (or male khalee is his case), he might able to do thing regular people aren't capable of.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2005-09-21 10:14am

Let's not forget though that the entity controlling that machine was still male khalee.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-21 10:20am

nickolay1 wrote:Let's not forget though that the entity controlling that machine was still male khalee.

true but Grievous feel little to no pain and the Droid part of his brain can give some commands. Also Grievouss was altered to make sadistic and ruthlesss killer.

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2005-09-21 10:56am

Might he possibly panic anyway, despite feeling no pain, from fully understanding the situation he's in (the extreme risk of death)?

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-09-21 11:53am

It's possible that his pain nerves have been surgically disabled.
He's probably also enough of a nutjob that being close to death would make him want to kill his enemy even more. Hmm.. in fact, I figure that's what was happening. Fortunately Obi-Wan squeezed the trigger four more times.

As for his ability to survive without his guts, I'm sure mechanical replacements for just about any internal organs are possible.. a pump for his blood (or blood analog), and devices to oxygenate (or whatever) his blood.

I'm guessing he still kept his guts because they tend to keep whatever organics they can. What's a Khalee look like? Did the gutsack hold the entire contents of his former organic torso?

nickolay1 · Post by **nickolay1** » 2005-09-21 12:22pm

One can speculate that if the rest of his body was destroyed (limbs, etc), that most of his internal organs were damaged as well. The gutsack probably holds whatever wasn't minced up by the bomb completely.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-21 12:28pm

Grievous gut sack holds only his lungs and heart. that's also reason that as far I know we don't have a canon source that would say what Khalee look like (there's one non-canon comic though) all we know is they're reptilian.

Spetulhu · Post by **Spetulhu** » 2005-09-21 05:20pm

Lord Revan wrote:Grievous gut sack holds only his lungs and heart.

Any human losing those organs would be disabled in a very short time and dead within minutes. He wasn't a human, but you'd think his brain needs whatever his lungs and heart work to bring it.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2005-09-21 05:54pm

VT-16 wrote:*Tries to picture Grievous applying first aid to his own gut-sack and stay coherent enough to pilot afterwards. *

*Fails*

Bypass the gutsack entirely; just plug some oxygenated blood into the right tube, get to the medship where they can plug in some new organs.

He didn't seem to die horribly in the vacuum of space in the opening battle sequence, so it's safe to say he's got something a bit better than standard issue oxygen processing capabilities.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-09-21 09:51pm

Just a quick note, I'm not suggesting for one second that Grevious actually survived what happened to him in the movie. Just like Mace Windu and Aayla Secura, he's dead, dead, DEAD!

I was just speculating if he could have survived IF somehow Obi-Wan hadn't completely blasted him to hell first.