Imperial Paperwork...

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-09-25 05:28pm

Just out of curiosity... how Anal was the Empire about what you did and what you needed to do to get something done?

If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters? Or if you wanted a large starship, would you have to sign ten tons of paperwork and registration papers? I mean it IS a Galactic sized Empire, you would think they would try and know about as much that goes on as possible, mostly to make a buck off it I assume…

I know this may seem a bit odd asking about it, but it's something I kinda need to know about...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-25 05:39pm

In one of KJA's books, there is a group of former Imperial accountants who fled into the Coruscanti undercity because they made a small accounting error that had some minimal economic effects and feared for their lives. I'm not sure how relevant that is though...

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-09-25 06:04pm

Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.

Star Wars Fan · Post by **Star Wars Fan** » 2005-09-25 08:26pm

if you wanted your business to thrive, you had to be a supporter of the Empire, maybe even a vocal one. joining COMPNOR would help, also. if you were non-human you would have a harder time, maybe impossible.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-09-25 09:19pm

The answer: Lots and lots and lots and lots of droids.

....You weren't talking about *how* they got the paperwork done? Oh.

Lord Sabre Ace · Post by **Lord Sabre Ace** » 2005-09-25 09:23pm

I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-09-26 12:06am

My inclination is to say that most regulation takes place on the planetary/system level, although there obviously is also some degree of Empire-wide regulation. The WEG sourcebooks typically described the legality of various substances and devices in terms of planetary regulation and there would be tremendous problems in trying to devise uniform regulations for systems with literally innumerable combinations of planets/environments/intelligent species/population densities/tech levels/etc. While I doubt there is any source that actually explores this idea, a good model would be the European Union. The E.U. Commission usually doesn't draft comprehensive regulatory schemes. Instead, it more commonly issues what are called "directives" to the member states. A directive is a set of guidelines for achieving some sort of policy goal, but the member states are free to devise their own procedures within those guidelines and they are responsible for enforcing them. That sort of practice would fit with the description in the WEG books that the vast majority of planets were never directly under Imperial administration.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-09-26 12:10am

Thank you all! these are exactly the sorts of things I'm looking for...

Mostly PLanatary Paperwork,
Lots of Imperial Bootkissing,
Be Human, Ah yes,

How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-26 12:12am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Thank you all! these are exactly the sorts of things I'm looking for...

Mostly PLanatary Paperwork,
Lots of Imperial Bootkissing,
Be Human, Ah yes,

How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?

With credits, I would assume. After all, even Stormtroopers have been bribed from time to time.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-09-26 12:24am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters?

Sorry to double-post, but I realized there's canon material addressing this point. In ESB, Lando tells Han and Leia that Cloud City is "small enough" that it doesn't fall under "Imperial jurisdiction". Leia then says "you're part of the mining guild then," to which Lando replies that Cloud City isn't because it is "small enough not to be noticed". This implies a multi-layered regulatory system: Imperial --> Guild --> Planetary? One could speculate that a certain level of revenue/production/employees/etc. is necessary per standard year to subject a business to direct Imperial regulation.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-09-26 12:40am

Quadlok wrote:Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.

Coruscant.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-09-26 02:34am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Quadlok wrote:Well ,the nightly backup of the computer system on Curascant runs inro the trillions of exobytes according to X-Wing: Wedges Gamble, so that might give us some idea.
Coruscant.

One day, I'll get that right. Until then, I'll just keep providing you with one more reason to post.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-09-26 10:39am

I don't why people would misspell Coruscant, after all pronounced "corusant" or "curusant (by the naboo pilot in TPM)" in the movies.

Deathstalker · Post by **Deathstalker** » 2005-09-26 11:20am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:How do Imperial pencil pushers take to Bribes?

It would depend on the person in question, just like everything else. Don't make the mistake that all Empire people are brainwashed fanatically loyal beings. For every fanatically loyal customs official, there are probably a half dozen looking to make a couple of extra credits. I imagine that the Imp Bueracracy is so big that there are plenty of ways to make money and not get caught. Depends on whether the being in question thinks he can get away with it.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-09-26 12:25pm

Lord Sabre Ace wrote:I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.

I don't think Palpatine would be afraid of the Rebellion at all. This is a guy who can see the future after all, a major advantage over modern day tyrants. In fact, a plausible argument can be made that, as with the CIS, he funneled some "help" to the rebellion to use it towards his own ends. A debatably rebel sympathizer was in command of Death Squadron for crying out loud.

The only thing he seemed to fear were death, Vader usurping him, and the possible return of the Jedi order.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2005-09-26 01:00pm

Lord Sabre Ace wrote:I imagine there would be a lot of paperwork, but mainly for security reasons. The Emperor, like modern-day tyrants, probably lived in perpetual fear of his subjects and the possibility of them rebelling. He would want to be sure, for example, that the Z-95 you're buying wouldn't go to the Rebellion.

Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-09-26 01:40pm

Tychu wrote:Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)

Dude, are you serious? Trading companies would have to go undefended rather then chance a company getting armed warships? Dude... that soooo Puts a crimp on what I was planning.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-09-26 01:53pm

Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?

Star Wars Fan · Post by **Star Wars Fan** » 2005-09-26 02:08pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?

yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2005-09-26 02:14pm

Tychu wrote:Im quite sure the Empire wouldnt let any company within the Empire to even make Fighters or Cruisers for anyone else besides the Empire. I mean even trading companies i think would pretty much go undefended. There is no way that Palpatine would let another "fiasco" like the Trade Federation bulking up for its blockade of Naboo saying "oh we need protection from pirates" rubbish (Cloak of Deception, read it!)

Uhm, it's an established fact that you can purchase fighters as a civilian and companies are still allowed to buy private armies and navies. There are plenty of mercenary armies out there too.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-09-26 09:09pm

Star Wars Fan wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?
yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)

Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-09-26 09:15pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Star Wars Fan wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Corporate Sector Authority had a sizeable fleet didn't they?
yes, they did. Invincible-class dreadnoughts, 2,000 meters long. Victory-Class Star Destroyers, 900 meters long. Marauder Corvettes, 200 meters long (estimated)
Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?

I think they just bought them (Clone War surplus), and (presumably)agreed not to interfere with Imperial affairs.

Lord Sabre Ace · Post by **Lord Sabre Ace** » 2005-09-26 09:25pm

That's not unprecedented in real life, as well. The British East India Trading Company had its own private Army.

Spetulhu · Post by **Spetulhu** » 2005-09-27 12:49am

Srynerson wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:If you wanted to star up a trading company, would you have to go through the Imperial equivalent of the Teamsters?
In ESB, Lando tells Han and Leia that Cloud City is "small enough" that it doesn't fall under "Imperial jurisdiction". Leia then says "you're part of the mining guild then," to which Lando replies that Cloud City isn't because it is "small enough not to be noticed".

I always thought Cloud City was an illegal operation. Lando left out all registration in order to sell to anyone he wants at a price he likes and without paying taxes.

Star Wars Fan · Post by **Star Wars Fan** » 2005-09-27 06:27pm

Well Wha-HOO! What did they have to do to get permission for those goodies?

in exchange for giving surplus materials and monies to the Empire, Palpatine allowed the CSA to govern itself, and made it easy for the CSA tobuy old Victory-class Star Destroyers during the upgrade to the mperators. when theOld Republic didn't buy the Marauders, CSA bought them, and the Invincibles dated form the Old Republic. maybe they were bought/salvaged?

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