Trek SFX errors

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-28 06:44pm

Vertigo1 wrote:And notice that the tractor beam is coming from the main deflector!

[Darkstar] Then the evidence clearly states that GCS's do not have deflectors of any sort[/Darkstar]

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-29 02:02am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Vertigo1 wrote:And notice that the tractor beam is coming from the main deflector!
I was under the impression that the forward tractor beam projector was located just beneath the deflector dish, in which case there is no conflict.

Then why is it that anything else shown being towed is done from the tractor beam facing the rear?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-11-29 06:49am

Vertigo1 wrote:Then why is it that anything else shown being towed is done from the tractor beam facing the rear?

Maybe it's because ships usually don't tow while flying backwards?

(Trek ships might be bad, but I wouldn't quite equate them with Model Ts...

)

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-11-29 12:24pm

Also notices the reflection of light on Enterprise is totaly wrong in those screenshots.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-11-29 07:09pm

Dark Primus wrote:Also notice the reflection of light on Enterprise is totally wrong in those screenshots.

Heh. I thought something else was odd about that... Well, maybe the Federation always sets up giant floodlights in space for no particular reason

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-29 09:25pm

Moonshadow wrote:hah! found a screenshot. Introducing the Super-Oberth!

ok i might have exagerated, but still it looks bigger than an Excelcior!

Don't know about bigger than an Excelsior, but this definitely puts the Oberth at nearly the length of the old E-nil/A (IIRC, they were about half the length of the E-D, right?).

So I guess Kirk's ships was a "scout-class vessel", which is what they refer to the USS Grissom and the BoP as in ST3...

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-30 01:35am

Crayz9000 wrote:Maybe it's because ships usually don't tow while flying backwards?

(Trek ships might be bad, but I wouldn't quite equate them with Model Ts... )

Then why would there be an emitter under the deflector if its not gonna get used?

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-11-30 01:41am

I thought tractor beams could push as well as pull.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-30 01:53am

Galaxy wrote:I thought tractor beams could push as well as pull.

No, they're designed to pull only. The only time one has ever pushed was when Wesley screwed around with one in that episode when they got nailed with that mutated strain of that PSI1000 virus (or whatever the hell its called). That was a one-time deal through.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-11-30 02:14am

Vertigo1 wrote:Then why would there be an emitter under the deflector if its not gonna get used?

For that special case where you have to tow something while flying backwards

Galaxy · Post by **Galaxy** » 2002-11-30 02:47am

Picard was doin his picard maneuver with the stargazer and the e-d held it away with the tractor beam. Unless it was the nav deflector they used.

Lord Edam · Post by **Lord Edam** » 2002-11-30 09:00am

Vertigo1 wrote:
Galaxy wrote:I thought tractor beams could push as well as pull.
No, they're designed to pull only. The only time one has ever pushed was when Wesley screwed around with one in {The Naked Now}That was a one-time deal through.

I've stuck the name in for you, but you also seem to be forgetting

DejaQ (E-d pushes a moon)
The Masterpiece Society (E-d pushes a star fragment)
Way of the Warrior (Defiant pushes disruptor bolts with a rear tractor beam)
Plus the Picard Maneuver mentioned above.

There's quite a few examples other than The Naked Now where the tractor beam pushes - Wesely's drunken games may be the first example, but they are far from a one-time deal.

There's also every reason to have tractor beam emitters on the front of the ship - push away asteroids etc. that are in the way but too big for the navigational deflectors

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-30 09:06am

That Orberth looks a good 330+ meters!

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-30 10:19pm

Season 1's VFX quality was simply atrocious with regard to other ships in the same shot as the E-D.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-30 10:51pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Season 1's VFX quality was simply atrocious with regard to other ships in the same shot as the E-D.

Grist for our mill.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2002-12-01 01:07am

Vertigo1 wrote:
Galaxy wrote:I thought tractor beams could push as well as pull.
No, they're designed to pull only. The only time one has ever pushed was when Wesley screwed around with one in that episode when they got nailed with that mutated strain of that PSI1000 virus (or whatever the hell its called). That was a one-time deal through.

It's more that the stupid writers forgot a capability from TOS, either by faulty research or by deliberate omission to make Wesely wünderkind the Boy Hero. In the original series episode "Who Mourns For Adonais", however, tractors could be set for repulsion. In one of the failed attempts to break the Enterprise free of Apollo's force-field "hand", Kirk had Sulu try the tractors as repulsors; a tactic which proved unsuccessful. But the episode indicated that switching the function was a normal design feature.

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2002-12-02 02:11am

i think these Oberth screenshots do clear up a mystery about the Oberth. Its been said they forgot about impulse engines because you never seen them on Oberths. Yet in that pic, you can clearly see a red glow coming from the rear of the saucer section extension.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-12-02 01:14pm

Moonshadow wrote:i think these Oberth screenshots do clear up a mystery about the Oberth. Its been said they forgot about impulse engines because you never seen them on Oberths. Yet in that pic, you can clearly see a red glow coming from the rear of the saucer section extension.

It was shown in ST3 IIRC.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-12-02 03:03pm

Vertigo1 wrote:
Moonshadow wrote:i think these Oberth screenshots do clear up a mystery about the Oberth. Its been said they forgot about impulse engines because you never seen them on Oberths. Yet in that pic, you can clearly see a red glow coming from the rear of the saucer section extension.
It was shown in ST3 IIRC.

I didn't know there was a problem with the Oberth in ST-3 It had a Impulse engine last I checked.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-02 11:17pm

Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Ooh, that's a good one. Dark Star has to admit either Trek has SFX errors or warp nine is horrible slow.
That or there is a MASSIVE slide scale difference between Warp 9 and Warp 9.whatever they used in ST:5

OR, its just as you said.

Which movie is this in reference to? How many seconds did it take the BoP to travel that one AU?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-02 11:44pm

Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Ooh, that's a good one. Dark Star has to admit either Trek has SFX errors or warp nine is horrible slow.
That or there is a MASSIVE slide scale difference between Warp 9 and Warp 9.whatever they used in ST:5

OR, its just as you said.

Uh, IIRC, Sulu said they were going Warp 7.