SDN The gathering cards?

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2005-10-01 01:50pm

Also, some the cards are just insanely powerful. The Lady Wong's card is just ridiculously powerful, for instance, and it's not even that expensive to play.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-10-01 03:34pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:You know I have to say, wouldn't it be a hoot to actually try and play a Magic game with these cards? Print them out all at standard size, past them to some spare land cards ((you can buy like a 100 for a buck, so no big waste))

Seriously, It would be a riot actually using them.. Combine all the cards of the SD.net members with the Ship and StarWars land/location cards from the other thread and you could have some serious Sillyness

Or a 3 way battle between my sci-fi cards, Lord Zentei Magical Politicians and the magic-destroyer cards (my name for this set).

I am not sure who would win. My spaceships are very powerful and in some cases under prised. The set has a lot of unity and less odd ball stuff than the magic-destroyer but there are a few very powerful cards in this set.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-10-01 05:41pm

It would be interesting to see your 'Balanced' set of Pure StarWars cards up against the SD.net cards. I agree your set actually looks like some sort of wierd Sci-Fi expansion to the original Magic card game. While the SD.net cards, well, are rather odd, but certainly a hoot to see in action

Hm... Really, I know a place where you buy hundreds of odd magic land cards on the cheap... Got to get me access to a colour printer.

Post by **Zaia** » 2005-10-01 05:43pm

Has anyone made a card for Einy yet? That I'd like to see.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-10-01 09:19pm

Zaia wrote:Has anyone made a card for Einy yet? That I'd like to see.

I was thinking about that.

What would a card have to do to qualify as a "Purple" card? It's in that MtG card maker program.

EDIT:

That's all I got thus far. A WIP to be sure.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-01 09:49pm

Trogdor wrote:Also, some the cards are just insanely powerful. The Lady Wong's card is just ridiculously powerful, for instance, and it's not even that expensive to play.

I think that was the point.

Last time I checked these were not meant to be taken seriously, as in cards that would be used in an actual game, you know.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-01 09:59pm

RogueIce wrote:
Zaia wrote:Has anyone made a card for Einy yet? That I'd like to see.
I was thinking about that.

What would a card have to do to qualify as a "Purple" card? It's in that MtG card maker program.

EDIT:

<einy card>

That's all I got thus far. A WIP to be sure.

Einy needs a potent Rangestrike to represent the railgun:

<tap>: Deal 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.

Also:

<tap>: Place a "Closet Case" counter on target Fundamentalist. That card's controller must pay <1> per "Closet Case" counter on it in order to untap it.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2005-10-01 10:02pm

What do you think? Any Suggestions?

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-01 10:16pm

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-01 10:17pm

Davis 51 wrote:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ ... avis51.jpg

What do you think? Any Suggestions?

* Make it a Legendary Creature.
* Blue creatures (with blue backgrounds) use only blue mana and colourless mana to cast. If you want a multicolour creature, use a gold background.
* The Tap power is, like, ungodly powerful. As it the counter thing, since it is cumulative...
* Needs to be more expensive in even without a toned down tap power.

....

Ah, the point I made earlier regarding these cards not being serious suddenly springs to mind. But what may apply to Lady Wong does not neccesarily apply to your run of the mill Otaku, so pfft.

Change the tap power to "<t><u><u>: deal 2 damage to target creature or player" or "<t>: deal 1 damage to target creature or player".

Change the counter power to "as long as your opponent controls a Leet Speak <this> gains +1/+1". Not cumulative that way, you see.

Cost: 3 coloured mana, 2 colourless. You can loose one colourless mana if you make it a multicolour.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-10-01 10:21pm

Davis 51 wrote:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ ... avis51.jpg

What do you think? Any Suggestions?

As I recall, with multi-color land cost like that, you need to make the card gold (multicolor), not blue.

Lord Zentai wrote:Einy needs a potent Rangestrike to represent the railgun:

<tap>: Deal 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.

Also:

<tap>: Place a "Closet Case" counter on target Fundamentalist. That card's controller must pay <1> per "Closet Case" counter on it in order to untap it.

What about mana cost? Can I put in anything or does it have to be special to warrant the purple background?

EDIT: Updated Ein card.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-01 10:46pm

RogueIce wrote:
Lord Zentai wrote:Einy needs a potent Rangestrike to represent the railgun:

<tap>: Deal 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.

Also:

<tap>: Place a "Closet Case" counter on target Fundamentalist. That card's controller must pay <1> per "Closet Case" counter on it in order to untap it.
What about mana cost? Can I put in anything or does it have to be special to warrant the purple background?

EDIT: Updated Ein card.

Rule of thumb:

Usually, the mana cost for a 1/1 creature, possibly with a minor or respectable special ability is 1 mana with colour, or two colourless mana.

Add 1 mana per +1/+1. Half of these can be colourless. If you use only colourless mana, add 50% to this cost. If the above ability was powerful add one or more colourless mana.

Pay for extra abilities. The rangestrike should probalby cost 1 colourless mana per point of damage. Abilities that are customized for special types of opponent will be less expensive, particularly if that type of opponent is rare. "Mass produced" token creatures usually cost three times the amount (so a 1/1 token would cost 3 mana), creatures that last until end of turn cost one third the amount.

Note: this is a rule of thumb, not ironclad. I'd do a more rigorous analysis for this if I had my cards with me in my appartment instead of in an attic half an ocean away.

But it suffices.

For the Ein card, this will be pretty hefty cost: Lets say you make him red. The cost would then be:

RRR1 for the basic cost and the one special ability. Add +3 for the rangestrike. Total: RRR4.

If you make him a Red creature, you may get away with the purple background as a joke, though he'll still count as red, ruleswise.

EDIT: I have usually "winged it" rather than go all nitpicky with the cards I've posted here (not to mention the Magical Politicians cards which were intended as a joke), though they'll usually be relatively close. I think.

EDIT 2: Fixed a miswording in the rule of thumb.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-10-02 02:06am

Noble Ire, thanks for remaking my card.

Though I should mention, I deliberately made myself a Legendary Layabout Creature. This was because everyone else was being a legendary creature, and it reflects my own obscurity.

Post by **Zaia** » 2005-10-02 09:33am

RogueIce wrote:What would a card have to do to qualify as a "Purple" card? It's in that MtG card maker program.

Oh that's right, you guys are using a layout program to make these. I was hoping there'd be some rainbow action somewhere on his card. Ah well.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2005-10-02 01:09pm

Lord Zentei wrote:
Davis 51 wrote:http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ ... avis51.jpg

What do you think? Any Suggestions?
* Make it a Legendary Creature.
* Blue creatures (with blue backgrounds) use only blue mana and colourless mana to cast. If you want a multicolour creature, use a gold background.
* The Tap power is, like, ungodly powerful. As it the counter thing, since it is cumulative...
* Needs to be more expensive in even without a toned down tap power.

....

Ah, the point I made earlier regarding these cards not being serious suddenly springs to mind. But what may apply to Lady Wong does not neccesarily apply to your run of the mill Otaku, so pfft.

Change the tap power to "<t><u><u>: deal 2 damage to target creature or player" or "<t>: deal 1 damage to target creature or player".

Change the counter power to "as long as your opponent controls a Leet Speak <this> gains +1/+1". Not cumulative that way, you see.

Cost: 3 coloured mana, 2 colourless. You can loose one colourless mana if you make it a multicolour.

Noted. I'll get to work on it.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-02 01:57pm

Zaia wrote:
RogueIce wrote:What would a card have to do to qualify as a "Purple" card? It's in that MtG card maker program.
Oh that's right, you guys are using a layout program to make these. I was hoping there'd be some rainbow action somewhere on his card. Ah well.

To clarify my earlier post: The purple card is for custom cards. Spells, including summonings will have the colour of the mana used to cast them, and there is no purple mana. But for Einy we can make an exception.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-10-02 03:00pm

The Einy card is hilarious. "BOOOOING!!"

I wonder what Robert Walper's card would have looked like, had be still been with us?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-10-02 11:03pm

Zaia wrote:
RogueIce wrote:What would a card have to do to qualify as a "Purple" card? It's in that MtG card maker program.
Oh that's right, you guys are using a layout program to make these. I was hoping there'd be some rainbow action somewhere on his card. Ah well.

Closest I can make it.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-10-03 12:28am

I think when he says 'Rainbow' he means the Gay Pride colours, which shouldn't be too hard to make as the background for a card.. Shoot a lot of us would have those

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2005-10-03 05:36am

For Davis card, the ability should be black/blue plus tap (it fits the scheme beter and makes the ability balanced cost) and he should be a 1/2 or at 1 colorless and make him a 2/2. He should die to even weak DD or cost more.

Post by **Zaia** » 2005-10-03 10:46am

RogueIce wrote:Closest I can make it.

That's fantastic! Nice work!

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2005-10-03 05:15pm

How about this: I changed the background (

), and gave it mroe mana cost. Then, I changed it so the counters don't give extra power, but are still cumulative, so I modified the powers slightly. I also took first strike off.

If this still seems too powerful, let me know! If there are no more suggestions, I'll put this in the completed pics thread.
These are quite fun to make!

Vanas · Post by **Vanas** » 2005-10-03 05:45pm

Here's some I made for another board. Luckily, to make this kinda on topic one of them shares a name with a member here.

Disclaimer: I can't make any of those nice energy Icons, and I've never played magic, so they're utterly unbalanced. Except no. 2 That's just fine.

Trouble
I love this card
Me, on another board
Smiting for goodness!
Alas...

Commentss, except on their utter unplayability, welcomed

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-10-03 05:56pm

Davis 51 wrote:How about this: I changed the background ( ), and gave it mroe mana cost. Then, I changed it so the counters don't give extra power, but are still cumulative, so I modified the powers slightly. I also took first strike off.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ ... 51MKII.jpg

If this still seems too powerful, let me know! If there are no more suggestions, I'll put this in the completed pics thread.
These are quite fun to make!

Well, actually, since you took out the First Strike and a toned down the abilities so that you don't get extra strength and toughness, it may even be a mite too expensive.

Also, those two powers seem very similar.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-10-04 12:05am

Time to fix a glaring oversight:

EDIT: Updated pic.