What is the dumbest Trekkie argument you ever heard?

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-07-27 01:17am

Master of Ossus wrote:Heard this one off of SB.com:

Promtp: "In a fight between the Enterprise D and a Star Destroyer near Pluto, who would win?"

Trekkie: "Easy. The enterprise d could just tractor beam the planet and use it to hit the star destroyer. Since asteroids can easily defeat star wars shields (as proven when asteroids destroyed Tie fighters in 1 shot), pluto should be more than enough to take out even the most powerful star wars stuff.

ROTFLMAO!

The kicker is that Pluto's not a planet.

I think that is the worst one I have ever heard.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-27 01:26am

"We can ignore EU since its novals, and I haven't read them..."

"A single group of Crack Federation Marines would take down the Death Star, because Stormtroopers suck!!!"

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-27 01:29am

Master of Ossus wrote:Heard this one off of SB.com:

Promtp: "In a fight between the Enterprise D and a Star Destroyer near Pluto, who would win?"

Trekkie: "Easy. The enterprise d could just tractor beam the planet and use it to hit the star destroyer. Since asteroids can easily defeat star wars shields (as proven when asteroids destroyed Tie fighters in 1 shot), pluto should be more than enough to take out even the most powerful star wars stuff.

ROTFLMAO!

The kicker is that Pluto's not a planet.

Okay...I have to ask. Who claimed that? No offense but I can't help but feel you are making this up.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-07-27 02:08am

Why do Trekkie agruments always use adapting to or copying tech, or losing that agrument, switch to moral superior grounds?

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-07-27 02:43am

DG_Cal_Wright: Yeah, the Falcon can easily out manuver the Defiant

Chris O'Farrell: The Defiant! Starfighters can't even out manuver or out shoot the Delta Flyer!

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-27 12:28pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Heard this one off of SB.com:

Promtp: "In a fight between the Enterprise D and a Star Destroyer near Pluto, who would win?"

Trekkie: "Easy. The enterprise d could just tractor beam the planet and use it to hit the star destroyer. Since asteroids can easily defeat star wars shields (as proven when asteroids destroyed Tie fighters in 1 shot), pluto should be more than enough to take out even the most powerful star wars stuff.

ROTFLMAO!

The kicker is that Pluto's not a planet.

I remember this thread. This whole idea comes from a different episode where the E-D hauls part of a Neutron star around using its tractor beam. Thus some Trekkie said "HEy, I know, why not just throw Pluto at the ISD!"

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 01:04pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Heard this one off of SB.com:

Promtp: "In a fight between the Enterprise D and a Star Destroyer near Pluto, who would win?"

Trekkie: "Easy. The enterprise d could just tractor beam the planet and use it to hit the star destroyer. Since asteroids can easily defeat star wars shields (as proven when asteroids destroyed Tie fighters in 1 shot), pluto should be more than enough to take out even the most powerful star wars stuff.

ROTFLMAO!

The kicker is that Pluto's not a planet.
Okay...I have to ask. Who claimed that? No offense but I can't help but feel you are making this up.

To be honest, I don't remember. It was on SB, and despite my efforts to get them to understand why that likely would not work, their numbers defeated me. I was only able to respond to a few posts out of their many, and they continuously used moronic points to claim victory by de-fault when I did not respond to their posts.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-07-27 01:20pm

But still, with that kind of logic, what the hell's preventing the ISD from using the same tactic.

I swear, some people just don't think.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 01:32pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:But still, with that kind of logic, what the hell's preventing the ISD from using the same tactic.

I swear, some people just don't think.

[sarcasm] Well, the Enterprise D has transporters. They could beam Pluto right next to the Star Destroyer, and then they could just nudge it to blow the thing up! [sarcasm off]

By their logic, the Star Destroyer should have been able to vaporize Pluto with a single LTL shot. Their logic is essentially this: We know that the Enterprise D can position objects using its tractor beam. Therefore, it should be able to move very large objects with its tractor beam.

By the same logic, since we know that Star Destroyers can vaporize rocks, they should be able to vaporize very large rocks.

The Trekkie who posted this clearly has no concept of limits. There are limits to both ships, the Star Destroyer's are just greater than those of the Enterprise.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-07-27 01:32pm

That was this thread. Areoborg was the one who first suggested it

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 01:41pm

Shrike seems like he tried it, first, but I think he MAY have been being sarcastic. I think if he was, then areoborg picked up on the idea and used it to his advantage.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 01:42pm

BTW, is that the same adam warlock here? The one who was cheering the GCS on? I'll have to ask him about that. I MAY have just lost respect for him, but I want to ask him what the context of that was.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-07-27 01:43pm

I think Shrike was being sarcastic. In any case, he was talking about throwing the ISD into Pluto, not the other way around, like Areoborg.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 02:01pm

XaLEv wrote:I think Shrike was being sarcastic. In any case, he was talking about throwing the ISD into Pluto, not the other way around, like Areoborg.

I would tend to agree with you. Could this even make Areoborg MORE of an idiot? If Shrike was being sarcastic, and then Areoborg decided that it was a good tactic and decided to defend his argument? LOL!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-27 02:28pm

Speaking of Pluto, how much energy would it take to break it apart? It has an icy interior, and it's about a thousand kilometers in diameter.

Anyway, where does it say the E-D can fling Pluto into the ISD? In what episode did the E-D hurl a planet/comet at a high speed? If the E-D can do it, why not the ISD?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-27 02:33pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Speaking of Pluto, how much energy would it take to break it apart? It has an icy interior, and it's about a thousand kilometers in diameter.

Anyway, where does it say the E-D can fling Pluto into the ISD? In what episode did the E-D hurl a planet/comet at a high speed? If the E-D can do it, why not the ISD?

There was on in that they tried to move a moon falling out of orbit using a tractor beam and their warp field. The catch was that to do so required turning off the shields!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 02:47pm

Dude, I don't know of a SINGLE person here who would support Areoborg on this. Not even DarkStar or Loser099 would go agree with this one. His scenario makes no sense, except in his little psycho world. If the E-D was allowed to do such a thing, clearly the ISD should be able to, and he is MAKING UP a new capability for a GCS. The Enterprise has never propelled an object anywhere near as massive as Pluto. It never happened, it was based on nothing, and it has no common sense attached to it, whatsoever. Areoborg is an idiot. He should be treated as an idiot. I simply could not believe what I was seeing when I read his posts.

Rogue 11 · Post by **Rogue 11** » 2002-07-27 02:49pm

I think "The borg can adapt to anything" is pretty stupid.

And all the other no-limit claims too (like perfect accuracy and laser innumity)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 02:50pm

Rogue 11 wrote:I think "The borg can adapt to anything" is pretty stupid.

And all the other no-limit claims too (like perfect accuracy and laser innumity)

I've heard those, too. Yes, they are stupid. I just don't think they were worse than the one we were discussing.

Rogue 11, welcome to Star Destroyer.net

Rogue 11 · Post by **Rogue 11** » 2002-07-27 03:16pm

I've heard those, too. Yes, they are stupid. I just don't think they were worse than the one we were discussing.

Maybe not but they were the only ones I could think of that hadn't been mentioned

Rogue 11, welcome to Star Destroyer.net

Thank you I don't understand how this forum evaded my attention for so long (given that I visit stardestroyer.net regularily)

MagicHateBall · Post by **MagicHateBall** » 2002-07-27 03:19pm

"If simple logic would make canon events impossible, then canon overrides logic."

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-27 05:12pm

But what if what we hear is going on CLEARLY could not happen in real life, like the object that was described as being BOTH "light" and "ions" in the same episode? It cannot be made of both. Are we to decide that it is light, or ions? What of Voyager's crack in an event horizon?

I realize that sometimes we must accept that certain aspects of Science Fiction are completely fictitious, like FTL travel, but what happens when we know of something that clearly violates scientific sense and nomenclature?

Shadowfyre · Post by **Shadowfyre** » 2002-07-28 12:46am

Ugh. I hate the ones that claim that Warp speed is faster.

I once had a "debate" with a guy on another BBS, where I layed out, step by step the events in TPM that indicate that Darth Maul was hauling ass from Coruscant to Tatooine at a speed that would make Starfleet wet their pants...and you know what the guy replied with? He said that since no definite numbers were mentioned in dialogue in any SW film, it couldn't be proved. Evidently the concept of deductive reasoning was beyond his grasp.

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-28 01:42am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Galaxy is only solar system size since we can only do lightspeed.

oy vay..*hangs his head in shame* Some of my fellow Trekkers have a stupid streak. I mean come on...If the SW Galaxy is the size of a solar system, then why do they say "Set your course for the Hoth system?" "We're going to the dagobah system"? *smacks that Trekkie and drags him/her to a far off land*

Rommie

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-28 02:41am

The Borg have nanobots in there sytem to heal wounds.........I had some people slap me with this when I mentioned using slugthrowers to kill borg.