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Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-10-02 03:59pm

A blog about a disturbing trend with EU authors:

Sound In Space! Tee Hee!

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-10-02 04:24pm

"200 clone-troopers aren't enough to take over a planet? Oh, come on! It's Star Waaars! Sound in space! Tee Hee!"

Doesn't the single digit million CT numbers make it about 1-3 per planet

(8 million in a million systems)

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-10-02 05:22pm

Dark Moose is an incredible ass (which, oddly, he admitted to me in the other blog discussion.) Flaming indeed.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-10-02 05:30pm

Respect the point of imagination, and you might enjoy those gaps in knowledge.

Figuring out army-numbers by using and combining official sources IS "using your imagination", fuckhead!

And more importantly, the point being made is that it's a blend of those viewpoints that makes it work. Not just one viewpoint.

When one prominent viewpoint belongs to a man who wants SW to have Loony Tunes logic and who mocks other employees in the company he works for (Pablo Hidalgo), forget it.

Oh, wait, from what I've heard, you've got you tongue stuck so far up his ass, other viewpoints are hard to see. I forgot.

Don't take it so serious

An attitude like that leads to sloppy storytelling and continuity. Thank you and goodbye.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-10-02 05:39pm

Wait a minute, I just added a reply and it hasn't shown up yet ... are these things moderator scanned first or something? This is what I wrote;

Precise, concise and eloquently delivered Darth Talas.

And dear Dark Moose must you always sabre rattle? It is not very becoming.

EDIT :: Nevermind it has shown up now.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-10-02 06:11pm

Wow, THAT got a quick response, didn't it?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-02 06:31pm

Crown wrote:Wait a minute, I just added a reply and it hasn't shown up yet ... are these things moderator scanned first or something? This is what I wrote;

Precise, concise and eloquently delivered Darth Talas.

And dear Dark Moose must you always sabre rattle? It is not very becoming.

EDIT :: Nevermind it has shown up now.

where does he threaten with mod powers bit? Did he edit it out?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-10-02 06:35pm

Lord Poe wrote:Wow, THAT got a quick response, didn't it?

Shit yeah, he monitors your blog man.

And also I tried getting into Karen Traviss' blog, but no more replies were allowed, as shame too since I was going to rip into her for this statement;

Karen Traviss wrote:We know how big Kamino is, we had existing clone numbers, but we also have mega-figures for droids. The two don't mix. But what we did know was that the war would never run its course, and so most of those droids would never see battle. So that's how we took the numbers we had and retconned them the way we did.

If you took this to its logical conclusion, the numbers of clone soldiers needed would have been many billions. Kamino is about half as big again as Earth (population 6 billion, with lots of land masses) and a waterworld. It has a billion inhabitants. So - and this is where it takes the fun out of it - real science and numbers means that they could never have produced and trained anything like that number of clones, because the infrastructure alone would have been unworkable. In fact, the whole physics and economics of them having an advanced industrial world doesn't stack up - using hard facts.

My response;

I'm sorry - but you're dead wrong. Let me rephrase;

There is no way using 'hard facts' that the island of Manhattan could support a population of 1.5 million people given it's land size ... you'd be right too, if we were moronic enough to treat the island of Manhattan as a closed system - which is the way you're treating Kamino.

But here's the thing, Manhattan isn't a closed system, it doesn't need to supply food, water, electricy, etc on it's given landmass to support its population.

Much like Kamino doesn't need to supply those things inorder to support a population greater than 6 billion - simply because in a universe where intra galactic travel is measured by the hour, no planet could be seriously analysed as a closed system.

Don't believe me? Then explain Coruscant.

There was more, but that's the general gist of it.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-10-02 06:37pm

Ender wrote:
Crown wrote:Wait a minute, I just added a reply and it hasn't shown up yet ... are these things moderator scanned first or something? This is what I wrote;

Precise, concise and eloquently delivered Darth Talas.

And dear Dark Moose must you always sabre rattle? It is not very becoming.

EDIT :: Nevermind it has shown up now.
where does he threaten with mod powers bit? Did he edit it out?

Yes. It appears that he edited it out (it was his second post) and also edited out his reply to me.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-02 06:38pm

She stated in her own book that they cryo freeze them when not using them! That EASILY explains where they were.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-10-02 06:43pm

Ender wrote:She stated in her own book that they cryo freeze them when not using them! That EASILY explains where they were.

Honestly though, I get the impression that she's trying to convince herself more than anything - since she obviously knows those numbers are batshit insanely wrong - and is just throwing out the first thing that pops into her head as justification ... unfortunately it is by and large groundless.

I mean she does make some valid points, for example; 'In fact, the whole physics and economics of them having an advanced industrial world doesn't stack up - using hard facts.'

But this is a red herring. The fact that they are an advanced industrial world is a fait acompli in the movies, too bad for her, now she has to explain why this 'advanced industrial world' can only put out an army (and according to her claims support said army) that is in essence only twice the population of Manhattan.

I'm sorry; it's a water world! Doesn't fly, as Earth's oceans can actually support 1.5 times the population than Earth's land mass can!

Alan Bolte · Post by **Alan Bolte** » 2005-10-02 07:13pm

Crown wrote:There is no way using 'hard facts' that the island of Manhattan could support a population of 1.5 million people given it's land size ... you'd be right too, if we were moronic enough to treat the island of Manhattan as a closed system - which is the way you're treating Kamino.

But here's the thing, Manhattan isn't a closed system, it doesn't need to supply food, water, electricy, etc on it's given landmass to support its population.

Much like Kamino doesn't need to supply those things inorder to support a population greater than 6 billion - simply because in a universe where intra galactic travel is measured by the hour, no planet could be seriously analysed as a closed system.

Don't believe me? Then explain Coruscant..

Shit man, she could just read the EU databank entry to learn that. Inhabitants came to be during an ice age, rely heavily on imports, especially of raw materials, etc. And did she even begin to consider that you don't have to do all the cloning on the one damn planet?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-10-02 08:37pm

interestingly, the reply I left for Dark Moose hours ago hasn't shown up...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-10-02 08:59pm

Well said, Wayne. If this type of advice was listened to for all sci-fi a certain well known sci-fi wouldn't be the piece of shit it is today.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2005-10-02 10:16pm

Excellently written. Hats off.

Maybe I'm just a screwed-up geek, but a seriously written story must be consistent to me, or else it seems downright unprofessional.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-03 01:30am

Damned by her own words - From the Insider 84 supplement on hyperspace:

Some people say that doesn't matter in fiction, but yes, it does -- because the more real you make it, the better plots it gives you. And I think it's also important that fiction tries to tell the truth because, like it or not, it affects the subconscious and so influences the way we see the real world

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-10-03 02:09am

Post that, goddamn it, man, post that!

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-10-03 12:10pm

That was interesting indeed, Ender!

Apparently, DM thinks that Poe's blog is "offensive to both fans and VIPS".

He should check his own blog comments...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-03 12:36pm

Awww, look. He updated his to deal with yours!

http://blogs.starwars.com/moosepoodo/53

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-03 12:44pm

Mange the Swede wrote:That was interesting indeed, Ender!

Apparently, DM thinks that Poe's blog is "offensive to both fans and VIPS". He should check his own blog comments...

Where des he say that?

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-10-03 01:31pm

Ender wrote:
Mange the Swede wrote:That was interesting indeed, Ender!

Apparently, DM thinks that Poe's blog is "offensive to both fans and VIPS". He should check his own blog comments...
Where des he say that?

Strange, it's gone now (it was on the comments page a few hours ago). Wayne said something about that people should e-mail him, as it seemed as if he wasn't allowed to discuss it in his own blog feedback (or something like that, I don't remember it word-by-word. Wayne should know), and DM replied to that (the sentence I posted here was from that comment, but it wasn't perhaps as serious as it sounds). I'm no longer a HS member and I don't know how the comment section of the blog works. Perhaps Wayne (or a mod, I don't know if users are allowed to do that) deleted those entries.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-10-03 03:14pm

DM deleted almost all of the posts pertaining to the arguement as a "courtesy to Darth Talas (Poe)." I'm not kidding.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-10-03 03:18pm

Noble Ire wrote:DM deleted almost all of the posts pertaining to the arguement as a "courtesy to Darth Talas (Poe)." I'm not kidding.

Oh, thanks! I'm glad that I wasn't seeing things.

How on Earth could such a person be a moderator at the Official Forums? That's mind-boggling...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-10-03 04:58pm

Mange the Swede wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:DM deleted almost all of the posts pertaining to the arguement as a "courtesy to Darth Talas (Poe)." I'm not kidding.
Oh, thanks! I'm glad that I wasn't seeing things.

How on Earth could such a person be a moderator at the Official Forums? That's mind-boggling...

Dark Moose is, bar none, the worst moderator I have ever met on any message board ever. That being said, you have to remember that the official boards have different goals than ours (which is purely to engage in intellectual discussion). They have to maintain a sense of community, and part of that means stifling debates so as to promote the idea that everyone gets along really really well.

BTW, is Karen Traviss giving Dark Moose sexual favors, or something? I simply cannot believe how far he's been going out of his way to defend her.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-10-04 12:06am

You need to make a follow-up blog about suspension of disbelief. That is the real issue here- these idiots think that because it's fictional, there doesn't need to be an SoD, which is simply moronic.