STGOD 2K5 OOC Thread

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-10-03 05:21pm

Question.

This isnt for Corneria but in reference to my nation. Can you convert cruiser build points into capital build points?

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2005-10-03 05:32pm

Interesting you should ask, in the STGOD I'm modding on ASVS we're in the process of devising a system with a unified points pool. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2005-10-04 05:00am

Question, how would this war affect ERTC zone trade? I imagine piracy would go up as less ships patrol routes.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-10-04 11:11am

Ace Pace wrote:Question, how would this war affect ERTC zone trade? I imagine piracy would go up as less ships patrol routes.

Why is that? Only the Commonwealth and the 6CS are going to war, the rest of the ERTC is not. Niether I nor the 6cs is using more than half our fleets, and the ERTC Enforcement Division ships which do much of the patrolling are not having anything to do with the conflict.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2005-10-04 11:15am

Ah allright, didn't read the posts regarding fleet deployment. Too bad.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-10-04 11:42am

The Sixth is spread a little thin, but Commerce Defense Force compises the lion's share of the entire Squadron's escort assets, along with several cruisers. A few of those are detatched to fleet train duty, but there's still a crapton of them.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2005-10-04 02:49pm

Hey, Fisher, how would your "forwardss thinking commander" know which of the many planetary shield generator stations on the planet White Haven would attack?

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-10-04 03:01pm

Thirdfain wrote:Hey, Fisher, how would your "forwardss thinking commander" know which of the many planetary shield generator stations on the planet White Haven would attack?

Um, really lucky guess?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-10-18 02:39pm

Yeah, White Haven, still playing. I just don't have anything to do.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2005-10-18 05:26pm

I'm a little busy at the moment, I'll be a little more active next month.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2005-10-19 12:08pm

Still here, just getting my bearings in general again.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2005-10-23 12:55pm

I'm here, confused.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2005-10-23 05:30pm

I've been here, just kind of watching while I'm doing other stuff...

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-10-25 07:22pm

I'm here. Just waiting for thirdfain and White Haven to respond to my posts.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-11-28 03:01am

Hello? Anybody? Somebody?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-11-28 10:17am

Does that count as Thread Necromancy?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-11-28 10:24am

If it does, you might as well nail me too; bumping this was on my itinerary as well.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2005-11-28 04:05pm

I really think it is really, really dead. Better start a new one than to drag this old corpse out into the light...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2005-11-28 06:25pm

Dahak wrote:I really think it is really, really dead. Better start a new one than to drag this old corpse out into the light...

We could just fast forward the game a couple years...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-11-28 07:12pm

Beowulf wrote:
Dahak wrote:I really think it is really, really dead. Better start a new one than to drag this old corpse out into the light...
We could just fast forward the game a couple years...

Again?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-11-28 08:28pm

Guys, look. The STGOD is dead, you remember in quake when you hit something with a rocket and little bits of gore flew out in all directions? That's the STGOD. It's dead, gone... No more
It would require a feat of science not yet possible in these times. All the grand powers and major powers and most of the lesser powers would all have to, en masse, return. Such a thing is simply not possible. Just let it go.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2005-11-29 12:57am

Eh...it'd devolved in a 'war' between two poers and a single paper tiger, and even that was getting a bit limp. Third and I decided, bleah, to hell with it. I had fun, and I'd love to again....I CERTAINLY have a metric shit-ton of conceptual nations...but barring every member of the STGOD s uddenly getting religion and believing in the Almighty Respawn Point...not in its current iteration.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2005-11-29 01:01am

Let's have a new one.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-11-29 01:52am

I'm good with a new one. The reason I wanted this to continue is that I just developed a new ship and wanted to get in the game.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2005-11-29 03:35am

Well if anyone's interested, here's the rundown on the unified points system me and the other fine folks over on ASVS churned out. The design goals were simplicity and flexibility. It's open to modification if anyone wants to give it a try.

Summary:

Each empire will have a pool of points that reflects overall assets that ships, defenses, weapons, ground troops ect. Each declared asset will be worth a certain number of points, the total of which must be equal or less then the total available points for that empire.

Ship Declarations:

Ship sizes will be based on their point values. There are four categories:

Fighters (includes strike craft)
Escorts
Cruisers
Capitals

Ships declared at 1-5 points will be regarded as escorts.

Ships declared at 6-20 points will be regarded as cruisers

Ships declared at 21 points and up will be regarded as capital ships.

Fighters will be declared as fighter groups and can be declared at any value. Normal warships can only carry up to twice their point value in fighter groups. For example, a 20 point fighter group needs at least a 10 point cruiser to carry them. This restriction does not apply to dedicated carriers. (Can be any point value, must be flagged CARRIER)

Notes on ship sizes:
Although the rules will classify ships into a certain class, the player is not required to stick to the naming convention. A 3 point vessel can be named and deployed as a cruiser and a 25 point vessel can be deployed as a line frigate if the player so chooses. However, a 25 point frigate will be treated as a capital ship as far as the rules are concerned. More on this under "Notes on Specialization."

Specializations:

Ships can be declared as being especially effective against certain target, when this happens they gain a bonus value when fighting that target, however they receive a penalty when fighting anything that isn't their specialty. Specialties are limited to the four size classes
The specialty cap is half the ship's natural value.

Example:
Thor class frigate [4][+2 vs Capitals]

Declaring this would mean that you have a frigate that costs 4 points but is worth 6 when fighting against a Capital size ship. These little frigates would be dangerous to Capital vessels in large numbers but would only be worth 2 points vs everything else, easy prey for swarms of 2 point fighter groups, especially those of type "bomber."

Ships can have a maximum of 2 specialties, 3 as long as none of them are FIGHTER, the total of which must not be more then half the ship's point value.

Example:
Thor class frigate [4][+1 vs Capitals][+1 vs Fighters]
The Thor is worth 5 against dreadnaughts and 5 against fighters, still worth 2 against everything else.

Ships are allowed to take a third specialty as long as none of their specialties are FIGHTER.

Notes on Specializations:

If a player makes the following declaration declaration
Titan class frigate [25]

The vessel may serve the function and role of a frigate in the player's fleet but as far as the rules concerned it is a capital ship. Let's look at the following examples for battle declarations:

LMAOPlane Empire:
Titan class frigate [24] 1

ROFLcopter Consortium:
Bulldog fighter group [4][+2 vs Frigates] 6
Viper fighter group [4][+2 vs Capitals] 6

The LMAOPlane Empire has despatched one of its Titan class super frigates to deal with a swarm of fighters. The ROFLcopter Consortium has 6 groups of Bulldog fighters in the area as well as 6 groups of Vipers.

Assuming that the Bulldogs are unable to engage at the same time as the Vipers for whatever reason:

Without taking specialties into account the sides appear even...
Titan (24 x 1 = 24) vs Bulldogs (4 x 6 = 24)
However, even though the Titan is a frigate because it is worth more then 20 points it is technically a Capital ship. Bulldogs loose 2 points because of non Capital specialty.
Titan (24 x 1 = 24) vs Bulldogs (2 x 6 = 12)
Easy victory for the Titan, different story for the Vipers however as Capitals are their specialty, they gain 2 points.
Titan (24 x 1 = 24) vs Vipers (6 x 6 = 36)

Fighter specific specialties:

Examples:
Rapier class fighters [2]
Broadsword class bombers [2][Bomber]

The difference between the broadsword group and the rapier group is that the broadsword's value is doubled against anything not a fighter (ie are now worth 4, however are worth 0 against other fighters.

Payloads:

You can bolster a ship's value by giving it a special payload (available to non fighters only)

Example:
Heavy frigate payload [3]

The special payload adds its value to the ship they're fitted to however, the ship must either equal or exceed the value of the payload they take on.

Example:
Thor class frigate[3] Heavy frigate payload [3]

The frigate is now worth 6 and can take out a small cruiser.

Defenses:

Satellites, platforms, planetary guns ect, declared much like ships except using the tag [defense] which gives them twice the value of their cost.

Example:
Titan Planetary gun [50][Defense]

The Titan gun is worth 100 points against attacking ships

(note: Locations are also required when delcaring defenses)

Ground Forces:

Individual units do not have to be declared, ground force delcaration is simply the amount of points the empire has devoted to them.

Example:
The grand army of the republic [100]

If someone invades a planet they then just specify the total number of points of ground forces they're attacking with. Individual details about the units will just be written up the way they always have been.

Landing craft will be assumed to be present when ground forces are declared, they require no declaration.

Declared ground force points can also be used in boarding parties and in repelling boarders. Boarding can only happen if a ship (or formation of ships) is attacked with an equal or greater point value in fighters in order to keep anti-fighter turrets off boarding craft (if attacking a group of vessels either the fighters must outpoint the ship group. Players can tell their gunners to specifically target landing craft to avoid being boarded but fighters attacking the ship will gain +1 when they do so. If fighters overwhelm they can be made to take out turrets.

Boarding ship group vs fighter group

Point advantage:

Ship group = cannot attempt boarding, expect anything that tries to be cut down by point defense

Fighter group = Can board all ships within ship group if point advantage is to fighters

Fighters + Ships joint attack = If the total point value of fighters is insufficient on their own it is still possible to board using a joint attack of fighters and larger ships as long as the fighters can outpoint at least one of the enemy ships. This would involve isolating one or more ships in the enemy group by attacking the non boarding targets with the larger ships and then engaging the boarding targets with fighters. If a player attempts a joint attack the target can defend the attempt by having his larger vessels continue their escort duty, which will successfully prevent the boarding attempt at the cost of endangering his escort ships to the attacking vessels.