Palpatine vs. Q

[Star Wars Fan]

um, who would win in a fight between Palpatine and the Q (at least one Q)

[Elheru Aran]

Been done. The debate is not over what Palpatine can do, or at least Wankatine; it's over whether the Q achieve their tricks through either a.) actual powers or b.) sufficiently advanced technology.

And I offer to you this example, canon no less: Q gets laid out by a punch to the chin from Ben Sisko. A *punch*. You would think he'd precog that and avoid it, hmm? I'll leave it to you to reckon what Palpatine would do...

[Glimmervoid]

Been done. The debate is not over what Palpatine can do, or at least Wankatine; it's over whether the Q achieve their tricks through either a.) actual powers or b.) sufficiently advanced technology.

I don’t agree it dose not matter if it is real power or technology either way it’s the same result. What matters is how much of its illusion and trickery.

[brianeyci]

I don’t agree it dose not matter if it is real power or technology either way it’s the same result. What matters is how much of its illusion and trickery.

Agreed. Whether or not it is technology or real power, the result is the same. Both magic and technology can be quantified.

The last time this came up, I believe nobody on the Q side was able to prove that Q could ignore shields.

As for the punch thing, in any versus both sides are sufficiently aware of the capabilities of the other so as not to be surprised, so Q would know about the dangers of Palpatine's force powers and presumably stay far, far away, unless you want to argue Q's arrogance would do him in (a valid argument given his arrogance around Sisko, but Q was sufficiently afraid of the beings in the crystalline entity episode to seek refuge on the Enterprise-D so if Q knew he was outmatched he would probably seek refuge somewhere).

Brian

[Darth Yoshi]

Which would be a victory for Palpatine, regardless.

[dragon]

Been done. The debate is not over what Palpatine can do, or at least Wankatine; it's over whether the Q achieve their tricks through either a.) actual powers or b.) sufficiently advanced technology.

And I offer to you this example, canon no less: Q gets laid out by a punch to the chin from Ben Sisko. A *punch*. You would think he'd precog that and avoid it, hmm? I'll leave it to you to reckon what Palpatine would do...

So much that Palpatine precog saved him from Vader.

[Dillon]

So much that Palpatine precog saved him from Vader.

Since Q isn't a force user, there's no evidence he can fuck around with force precog.

[dragon]

Suppose it depends what exactly the force is after all it has something to do with the things in their cells.

[brianeyci]

Which would be a victory for Palpatine, regardless.

It depends if Palpatine is stupid enough to step outside a shield. If Q hides in the continuum waiting for Palpatine to go to an unshielded place, he could win by tossing him into a star.

Of course, this requires extraordinary circumstances like the Sith Lord going out to save his apprentice, so it would be a stalemate unless Palpatine discovered the existence of the Q continuum.

Brian

[dragon]

I don’t agree it dose not matter if it is real power or technology either way it’s the same result. What matters is how much of its illusion and trickery.

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The last time this came up, I believe nobody on the Q side was able to prove that Q could ignore shields.


Brian

Didn't Q on numerous occasions teleport on to the Enterprise while there shiled were up.

[dragon]

Damn lack of edit. Also as for shields Q weapons were producing supernovas, granted it was in Voyager.

[brianeyci]

Damn lack of edit. Also as for shields Q weapons were producing supernovas, granted it was in Voyager.

O'Brien used a technique to beam through shields taking advantage of a specific weakness, that Federation shields cycle at x megahertz or something. Maybe Q used this too, and if we are taking lower limits why not take this rather than handwave and say Q can teleport through all shields.

Producing a supernova isn't the same as teleporting through a shield. I fail to see the connection.

Brian

[dragon]

I meant that if Q couldn't get through the shield to Palpy then Q could just nova the sun. Granted that might be a little to ruthless of Q though.

[Darth Quorthon]

You'd think they would have fixed that shield problem by now.

I think it would be an entertaining fight to watch, regardless. The outcome to me isn't as important as being entertained. Q's wisecracks would provide a humorous counterpoint to the Emperor's ultra-stern demeanor.

I don't think Q's powers are the product of technology, because in the TNG episode "True Q", there is a young Q (Amanda Rogers, played by Olivia D'Abo) on board the Enterprise. Her parents were Q, and chose live on Earth, and to make a long story short, Q wants her to leave the Enterprise and come to the Q continuum. There's even scenes where Q is teaching her how to use her powers and explaining the consequences of misusing them, which to me suggests that they are innate/hereditary, rather than coming from an external source, perhaps a highly evolved form of psionics that give the impression of near-omnipotence. This might explain why Q's body was corporeal enough for Sisko to deck him. Too bad we have never been give an satisfactory explanation of Q's powers.

[dragon]

You'd think they would have fixed that shield problem by now.

I think it would be an entertaining fight to watch, regardless. The outcome to me isn't as important as being entertained. Q's wisecracks would provide a humorous counterpoint to the Emperor's ultra-stern demeanor.

I don't think Q's powers are the product of technology, because in the TNG episode "True Q", there is a young Q (Amanda Rogers, played by Olivia D'Abo) on board the Enterprise. Her parents were Q, and chose live on Earth, and to make a long story short, Q wants her to leave the Enterprise and come to the Q continuum. There's even scenes where Q is teaching her how to use her powers and explaining the consequences of misusing them, which to me suggests that they are innate/hereditary, rather than coming from an external source, perhaps a highly evolved form of psionics that give the impression of near-omnipotence. This might explain why Q's body was corporeal enough for Sisko to deck him. Too bad we have never been give an satisfactory explanation of Q's powers.

Perhaps a combination of both. A high level of PSI abilites like Amanda and then some kind of boosters that a full Q has access to.
As tech alnoe wouldn't explain the Q trapped in the comet that wanted to commit sucide.

[Darth Quorthon]

Perhaps a combination of both. A high level of PSI abilites like Amanda and then some kind of boosters that a full Q has access to.

Seems reasonable. In that case they would be much like Jedi/Sith, using high-tech devices (Lightsaber) to augment their supernatural innate abilites (The Force).

[CoyoteNature]

Supposably if you read the Q continuum books, Q is some higher dimensional being descended from a race who transcended using technology, specifically the Gate thing Kirk went through.

So it is technology and it is innate.

Why did Q get hit by Sisko?

Drama, or maybe he wanted him to think he hurt him, or maybe his human form limits him.

I think Q would probably win, since he is supposed to be the closest thing to god there is in the Trek verse.

Plus Q is more amusing, I find his amoral humor appealing.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Been done. The debate is not over what Palpatine can do, or at least Wankatine; it's over whether the Q achieve their tricks through either a.) actual powers or b.) sufficiently advanced technology.

And I offer to you this example, canon no less: Q gets laid out by a punch to the chin from Ben Sisko. A *punch*. You would think he'd precog that and avoid it, hmm? I'll leave it to you to reckon what Palpatine would do...

Ahh yes. Knocked out by flesh vs. taking a shower in the reaction chamber of a M/AM reactor. Given Q's rather strange sense of humor it's not to much of a stretch to think he allowed Sisko to punch him.

Didn't he also allow Picard to best him in a sword fight? It seems like he's just toying with them.

[Darth Servo]

Decided long ago

[CoyoteNature]

Ha aha ahah aha Funny.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Really, an hounest question... Has there even been a Trek vs Wars set up here where SD.net largerly agreed Trek would win over Wars?

[Crossroads Inc.]

:Looks up: oh bugger, I wanted that to be a new thread...

[Noble Ire]

Really, an hounest question... Has there even been a Trek vs Wars set up here where SD.net largerly agreed Trek would win over Wars?

I'm not entirely sure, although I would think that some more infantile versus might has ST as a victor, like "Jar Jar Binks versus a Species 8472" or "A single Tie fighter versus the Borg collective" but by in large, I would think that the more serious threads would be quite skewed towards SW. After all, how many ways can you spin "Ants versus my foot" in ways that will allow the insects to win? Not many.

[Darth Servo]

Really, an hounest question... Has there even been a Trek vs Wars set up here where SD.net largerly agreed Trek would win over Wars?

Which one is more pompous and boring?

[Bounty]

Really, an hounest question... Has there even been a Trek vs Wars set up here where SD.net largerly agreed Trek would win over Wars?

Which one is more pompous and boring?

AotC.

*runs*