Long-Term Space Exploration Problems...

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

And i do not deny it. I just said that this reason for space exploration is too far in the future , because what difference would even a few thousand people on mars make in this scenario.

By that logic, one can always come up with excuses for why space exploration is always "too far" in the future. We barely have the sky-survey capability in place to find the Big One with our name on it, thanks to people who always say that the threat is always too far off. And, as far as the survival of humanity is concerned, I'll take a few thousand people with a high technical base and a strong drive to survive and maintain that base over a million stone-age cavemen any day of the week and twice on Sundays. You're welcome to your stone spearpoints animal-fur loincloths, and flint knives though.

As you may have noticed i said it is worth doing r&d in this area. To clarify i am against manned mission to other planets , but i have nothing against space program in general. I say more money to r&d , no money for actual manned flight to mars or somewhere else , since there is no real need to go there personally. And sometime in the future when such mission is not so expensive and we have solved more pressing matters on earth , why not. As for my not so rational part , i would love to see it done.

Without the manned aspect of it, the space program becomes nothing more than launching the latest generation of GPS, weather, and telecom satellites, and the dispatching of robots to other planets, which, frankly, we could freeze the pace of technological development of right now, and nobody would ever be the wiser. In short, stopping with unmanned space exploration is , to put it bluntly: utterly fucking useless in the near, medium, or long term. Abandoning manned space exploration and exploitation will invariably lock us into the thinking of the fuzzy Earth-first bunnies who will always find some "more pressing" matter to solve on Earth before turning our attention outwards, and put off manned space exploration to "sometime in the future." Which anyone with an eye for realpolitik will realize actually means "never."

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

As you may have noticed i said it is worth doing r&d in this area. To clarify i am against manned mission to other planets , but i have nothing against space program in general. I say more money to r&d , no money for actual manned flight to mars or somewhere else , since there is no real need to go there personally. And sometime in the future when such mission is not so expensive and we have solved more pressing matters on earth , why not. As for my not so rational part , i would love to see it done.

I have a hard time even thinking how to respond to this. "I am against manned mission to other planets" makes me breakdown into spiddle and fumes, rendering my ability to shred this attitude extremely limited. Suffice it to say, you are not winning points in my book.

Dude, I think you fucked up your quote tags there. Don't associate me with such closed-minded fuzzy Earth-first bunny crap.

[anybody_mcc]

And i do not deny it. I just said that this reason for space exploration is too far in the future , because what difference would even a few thousand people on mars make in this scenario.

Says who? Our ability to track incoming asteroids is fairly limited. We could be dead tomorrow as a result of an asteroidal impact. Only the small-minded attitude of "Well, it hasn't happened yet, so it's probably not going to!" doesn't recognize the notion of an asteroid impact as an ominous reality. It will happen. The question is only when.

Where did i say asteroid cannot hit us. I said that such asteroid will not destroy the whole human species. And those on Mars will be doomed since they won't be self-sufficient - using current and near future technology.

As you may have noticed i said it is worth doing r&d in this area. To clarify i am against manned mission to other planets , but i have nothing against space program in general. I say more money to r&d , no money for actual manned flight to mars or somewhere else , since there is no real need to go there personally. And sometime in the future when such mission is not so expensive and we have solved more pressing matters on earth , why not. As for my not so rational part , i would love to see it done.

I have a hard time even thinking how to respond to this. "I am against manned mission to other planets" makes me breakdown into spiddle and fumes, rendering my ability to shred this attitude extremely limited. Suffice it to say, you are not winning points in my book.

I know that there are many people here thinking like you. But it does not change the fact , that i do not see the reason for such expensive projects . I haven't read one rational reason to do it so i would rather spend such astronomical amounts of money on something here on Earth. Even if that money can be used to save 1km2 of wilderness from destruction or help to improve the standard of living of 100 of people or even build new r&d center in Earth's orbit then i cannot support manned mission to other planets.

[anybody_mcc]

As you may have noticed i said it is worth doing r&d in this area. To clarify i am against manned mission to other planets , but i have nothing against space program in general. I say more money to r&d , no money for actual manned flight to mars or somewhere else , since there is no real need to go there personally. And sometime in the future when such mission is not so expensive and we have solved more pressing matters on earth , why not. As for my not so rational part , i would love to see it done.

I have a hard time even thinking how to respond to this. "I am against manned mission to other planets" makes me breakdown into spiddle and fumes, rendering my ability to shred this attitude extremely limited. Suffice it to say, you are not winning points in my book.

Dude, I think you fucked up your quote tags there. Don't associate me with such closed-minded fuzzy Earth-first bunny crap.

, ok , could you give me any reason for manned space missions to other planets ? Except of course the survival from asteroid thing. And why is it close-minded to want to solve problems we have rather than waste money on something that would give us nice feeling , but is ultimately useless.