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[jawbertsc]

Given that the entire invasion army of Naboo was controlled by a single ship, and that many droids seem completely independent, I'd say a lot.

Yeah but the Naboo did not put up much of a fight either. Then again they never showed that many droids in one shot till the end of the movie and the numbers seemed to in the thousands not millions.

Except that the clones were fighting on multiple planets simultaneously, for instance on Dantooine and Muunilist and Mon Calamari, and during the RotS montage..

So your saying that 50k no make that 200k per planet would not do the job? You could be on six planets evenif you used the larger figure. I also did not rule out more deliveries to replace those lost in fighting.

Not really in an economy as large as the Galactic Republic's. There were massively more refugees during the YV crisis, for example, and it didn't matter too much.

So massive that no real military existed before TPM? Look at huricane Rita and the evacuation. Moving a million peeps is not easy even at with SW technology.

[Darth Servo]

Yeah but the Naboo did not put up much of a fight either.

Naboo only had a small police force, not a standing army. yet still, the doids did not out-number them billions to one.

Then again they never showed that many droids in one shot till the end of the movie and the numbers seemed to in the thousands not millions.

Thousands on ONE grass field. A miniscule fraction of the entire planet. To say you wouldn't need orders of magnitude more for a heavily developed world is insanity.

So massive that no real military existed before TPM?

No GROUND ARMY. They DID have a navy. Why do you think the Neimodians were so scared of the republic in TPM?

Look at huricane Rita and the evacuation. Moving a million peeps is not easy even at with SW technology.

Look at the end of AOTC. They do it with ease.

[jawbertsc]

quote]Naboo only had a small police force, not a standing army. yet still, the doids did not out-number them billions to one.

Where did you get that figure from may I ask?

Thousands on ONE grass field. A miniscule fraction of the entire planet. To say you wouldn't need orders of magnitude more for a heavily developed world is insanity.

So they where not protecting Coruscent in the first movie where they? Besides they have modern technology you just move your forces to counter an aggressor. You dont guard the whole planet that would be a waste of time and resources.

So massive that no real military existed before TPM?

No GROUND ARMY. They DID have a navy. Why do you think the Neimodians were so scared of the republic in TPM?

They seemed to be more afraid of the Jedi than the republic from what I remember.

Look at huricane Rita and the evacuation. Moving a million peeps is not easy even at with SW technology.

Look at the end of AOTC. They do it with ease.

Where did you get that figure? is it in the books maybe I need to read them

[Darth Yoshi]

Simple scaling. You can calculate how many troops are in a formation, multiply that by how many formations we see board an Acclamator to get an extreme lower limit, and then multiply that by how many Acclamators we see taking off.

[Ender]

If you use WWII ideaology the numbers of troops for the grand republic would be enormous. But in Star wars like today there exists force mutipliers. Advanced sensors, communications, munitions , droids to service equipment and on. All these would lower the number of support types. One flight of F-117s can do the wrok of a entire squadrons of bombers working with cap and jamming assets. just a stray thought.

Except the Confederacy has all the same tech. Therfore you are back at square one, and need the same giant armies.

[Ender]

True, but 1.2 million invidual clonetroopers is not enough to guarantee the safety of even one single planet, let alone fight a war against an interplanetary goverment large enough to threaten the Galactic Republic.

Why do you say that? I never saw more than a few thousand droids attack at once.

TPM novel indicates a low end figure of 6 billion deployed against the planet.

How many droids could be controlled at once? How many control ships did the Trade fedration have?

Irrelevent, later model droids don't need the control ships.

If you get them efficiently from one fight to the next you dont need a lot of troops to defend the planet.

Yeah, because that strategy is working real well in Iraq.

I understood the 1.2 million figure to be a intial figure with more troops to come. 1.2 million is a lot of peeps to suddenly have to feed and find a place to put their shit all at once

No, actually, its not. They can do it with 75 ships. Food can be cloned, and Enemy lines suggests they actually use fabbers to make the kind of grey mat cubes they eat in Hard Contact, and fabbers can run off of anything.

[Ender]

Given that the entire invasion army of Naboo was controlled by a single ship, and that many droids seem completely independent, I'd say a lot.

Yeah but the Naboo did not put up much of a fight either. Then again they never showed that many droids in one shot till the end of the movie and the numbers seemed to in the thousands not millions.

A few thousand for a quick policing action against an enemy lacking artillary, armor, air support. or combined arms.

Novel indicates a low end of 6 billion deployed when you count how many the ships carry and the number of ships.

Except that the clones were fighting on multiple planets simultaneously, for instance on Dantooine and Muunilist and Mon Calamari, and during the RotS montage..

So your saying that 50k no make that 200k per planet would not do the job?

200,000 can't take a single hellhole country with 20 year old tech on earth. It certainly can't face off against a foe that has equal/superior tech and already prestaged its logistics like the Confederacy has.

More to the point, there were apparently 6,000 major confederacy worlds, which means even with your low end figure you need 1.2 billion, not million.

You could be on six planets evenif you used the larger figure. I also did not rule out more deliveries to replace those lost in fighting.

Wow, 6. And here LoE and AOTC indicate a minimum of 16,000.

Does this get through to you yet?

So massive that no real military existed before TPM? Look at huricane Rita and the evacuation. Moving a million peeps is not easy even at with SW technology.

So you say that because an unprepared and bungled response by a technologically inferior group can't do it, a group set up to do it with good management with superior tech? Shitty example. The Republic/Empire moved entire OCEANS. They evacuated most of Coruscant. They can move a couple of trillion soldiers.

[Ender]

Naboo only had a small police force, not a standing army. yet still, the doids did not out-number them billions to one.

Where did you get that figure from may I ask?

Quadrillons of droids vs a few million clones is a several billion difference.

Thousands on ONE grass field. A miniscule fraction of the entire planet. To say you wouldn't need orders of magnitude more for a heavily developed world is insanity.

So they where not protecting Coruscent in the first movie where they?

The Confederacy never protected Coruscant, so i don't follow.

Besides they have modern technology you just move your forces to counter an aggressor. You dont guard the whole planet that would be a waste of time and resources.

And when you have moved your force, they rapidly deploy to counter that force and invade the original planet. Speed of hyperdrive requires constant planetary defense.

So massive that no real military existed before TPM?

No GROUND ARMY. They DID have a navy. Why do you think the Neimodians were so scared of the republic in TPM?

They seemed to be more afraid of the Jedi than the republic from what I remember.

2 Jedi cannot defeat a blockade. They were concerned about the legalityof their actions because the blockade could be disloged by the republic navy.

Look at huricane Rita and the evacuation. Moving a million peeps is not easy even at with SW technology.

Look at the end of AOTC. They do it with ease.

Where did you get that figure? is it in the books maybe I need to read them

Its in the movie like he said. 2-3 million is the parade ground estimate. Link earlier in thread.

[LeftWingExtremist]

The biggest problem is that we haven't established that 1 unit = 1 clone. we could even say that a unit could equal 10 mabye 100 clones and that really ups the number (although i'm sure there are a lot more).
but if we see the sheer scale of the battle over coruscunt then it would be impossible to assume that only 1.2 million clones were available. Lets assume that each ship can hold 30,000 clones (an ISD holds c.45k so my number is reasonable) 1,200,000(#of clones)/30,000(#of clones/ship)= 40! the idea that there were only forty ships in the entire republic let alone the battle of coruscunt is just stupid. there simply has to be more clones.

[Master of Ossus]

The biggest problem is that we haven't established that 1 unit = 1 clone. we could even say that a unit could equal 10 mabye 100 clones and that really ups the number (although i'm sure there are a lot more).
but if we see the sheer scale of the battle over coruscunt then it would be impossible to assume that only 1.2 million clones were available. Lets assume that each ship can hold 30,000 clones (an ISD holds c.45k so my number is reasonable) 1,200,000(#of clones)/30,000(#of clones/ship)= 40! the idea that there were only forty ships in the entire republic let alone the battle of coruscunt is just stupid. there simply has to be more clones.

I pointed out earlier that three million DIVISIONS of clones would not be enough to fight this war. The clones would still be outnumbered by tens of thousands to one, even giving enormously generous concessions to the GAR to try and keep it competitive.