Borg vs Pre-militrisation Republic

[Hammer]

Before Palpatine had all the new ships including Acclamators etc. built.

It seems that ships before this were less powerful and Acclamators (together with the ensuing Star Destroyer line) were a new level of deadly potency. For example compare the Acclamator with the Trade Federation ships, (regarded as "deadly battleships" in the pre-Palpatine era) as one instance.

Now, considering that one Borg ship destroyed 39 Federation ships in one go, and that a cube attacking Earth in FC survived days of attacks by advanced (Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, Defiant classes) Federation ships, they might be in the power range of Star Wars ships.

So what if the Borg started to invade the Republic? Lets say it happened about 35-40 years before TPM.

A wormhole is available linking the Delta Quadrant to the Tattoine/Naboo region.

The old borg was recently destroyed in an accident and a new, smarter queen has assumed control. She is slightly tactically smarter in that she will commit large numbers of the Borg's forces at once rather than sending one cube at a time.

[Hammer]

FUCK I meant to say the old borg Queen was recently destroyed, not "the old borg was recently destroyed".

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

Hard to tell, because we don;t really have much info about ships before militarization.

THough a good bet wpould be to take official SW sources like the Glden Age of the Sith comics and extrapolate from there.

[Ender]

On par with them? Hell no.

There were always the sector forces. The outer rim forces, considered inferior, were made up of dreadnaughts and support ships with craft like z-95's as fighters. Dreadnaughts are nothing to sniff at. Even if Acclamators are 10x as powerful as Dreadnaughts (unlikely, more like 2x), the Dread still has teraton level thresholds, and those lovely 200 GT turbolasers. And those babies have a lot of turbolasers. And the core fleets are suppossed to be even better.

[Master of Ossus]

First of all, the TF battleship may or may not be more powerful than an Acclamator. Remember that we do not have any objective figures on the weapons of the main TF battleship. Additionally, most important worlds in the OR had their own defense forces, including planetary shields and several ships. I find it likely that the Borg would be able to overrun a large section of the Outer Rim, or potentially even the Mid Rim territories, but they would not stand a chance at invading the larger and more important Core Worlds.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

How do you describe more powerful? The TF donuts had no capital ship weapons; they were all anti-fighter. But their shields were nothing to laugh at. "Nothing can get through our shields" was right.


And Dreadnoughts would slaughter Borg cubes.

[Ender]

Trying to cross over some ICS numbers, a full TF battleship has a threshold of 430 teratons, and a total weapons output of 1,008 MT, plus the 280 8 KT PD guns. Nite that that is assuming 6MT per cannon, and this is only for the space donuts, where as they have dedicated ships like their dedstroyers who would have a bare minimum of 143 teratons threshold and have some turbolasers backing it up. HTe Trade Federation is not a force to be underestimated.

[Sea Skimmer]

Dreadnoughts would massacre the Borg, anything that mounts a medium or better turbolaser would, and significant missile or LTL salvos would also chew through cubes fairly quickly.

[Cpt_Frank]

Or what about the Procurators and Mandators?
Sure, they only had slow hyperdrives, but they'd still be faster than warp, and they'd probably pack some nasty firepower.

[jegs2]

Before Palpatine had all the new ships including Acclamators etc. built.

It seems that ships before this were less powerful and Acclamators (together with the ensuing Star Destroyer line) were a new level of deadly potency. For example compare the Acclamator with the Trade Federation ships, (regarded as "deadly battleships" in the pre-Palpatine era) as one instance.

Now, considering that one Borg ship destroyed 39 Federation ships in one go, and that a cube attacking Earth in FC survived days of attacks by advanced (Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, Defiant classes) Federation ships, they might be in the power range of Star Wars ships.

So what if the Borg started to invade the Republic? Lets say it happened about 35-40 years before TPM.

A wormhole is available linking the Delta Quadrant to the Tattoine/Naboo region.

The old borg was recently destroyed in an accident and a new, smarter queen has assumed control. She is slightly tactically smarter in that she will commit large numbers of the Borg's forces at once rather than sending one cube at a time.

Well, the Borg would probably take a few systems before the Republic realized there was a danger. Then I imagine they'd hurl whatever ships they had against the Borg while selecting a committee to further investigate the threat. The Jedi Council would scream bloody murder to the Senate, demanding the commissioning of a strong fleet to counter the threat. Depending on how quickly and to what degree the Senate reacted in an appropriate manner, they might be able to beat back the threat in time...

[Crazy_Vasey]

I wouldn't be surprised if Acclaimators were around in TPM time or at least on the drawing board. Ships that big and in that quantity don't just appear out of nowhere and they did start ordering the clones at around that time so it wouldn't surprise me if that's when they started planning or even constructing the fleet that would be used as well.

Borg vs Acclaimators = lotsa dead borg, it goes without saying.

[Ted]

How do you describe more powerful? The TF donuts had no capital ship weapons; they were all anti-fighter. But their shields were nothing to laugh at. "Nothing can get through our shields" was right.

And Dreadnoughts would slaughter Borg cubes.

Weren't the guns on the TF's cap ship level? They were to big and slow to be anti fighter, I thought they'd've been the 200gt guns on the Acclamators.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

How do you describe more powerful? The TF donuts had no capital ship weapons; they were all anti-fighter. But their shields were nothing to laugh at. "Nothing can get through our shields" was right.

And Dreadnoughts would slaughter Borg cubes.

Weren't the guns on the TF's cap ship level? They were to big and slow to be anti fighter, I thought they'd've been the 200gt guns on the Acclamators.

No, they're kiloton level. And they managed to pick off the droids on the Nabboo cruiser.

[Hammer]

How powerful are bord cubes?

What is their shield power?

I only asked this question because I saw that it's generally considered that one SW ship (ISD for example) could destroy multiple Federation ships... so I wondered if the Borg ships could stand in the SW universe... since they actually did this (destroying dozens of Fed ships with one ship).

[Ender]

How powerful are bord cubes?

What is their shield power?

I only asked this question because I saw that it's generally considered that one SW ship (ISD for example) could destroy multiple Federation ships... so I wondered if the Borg ships could stand in the SW universe... since they actually did this (destroying dozens of Fed ships with one ship).

General concensious here is about 3 Gigatons of shielding. Note that this is higher then DITL places them at.

[Illuminatus Primus]

How do you describe more powerful? The TF donuts had no capital ship weapons; they were all anti-fighter. But their shields were nothing to laugh at. "Nothing can get through our shields" was right.

And Dreadnoughts would slaughter Borg cubes.

Weren't the guns on the TF's cap ship level? They were to big and slow to be anti fighter, I thought they'd've been the 200gt guns on the Acclamators.

No, they're kiloton level. And they managed to pick off the droids on the Nabboo cruiser.

I dunno. I'd place them at megaton at least. They were pretty big for kiloton level weapons. For megaton even.

[Lord of the Farce]

General concensious here is about 3 Gigatons of shielding. Note that this is higher then DITL places them at.

Ummm... If I'm not mistaken DITL pegs Borg Cube shielding to 58,509,000 terajoules, so if you divided that by 4183, you'll get about 13,987 megatons, or 14 gigatons.

[Stormbringer]

General concensious here is about 3 Gigatons of shielding. Note that this is higher then DITL places them at.

Ummm... If I'm not mistaken DITL pegs Borg Cube shielding to 58,509,000 terajoules, so if you divided that by 4183, you'll get about 13,987 megatons, or 14 gigatons.

And Graham Kennedy is by no means objective in his method and unbiased in his results. Most of his calculations are flawed and useless at best. Lies at worst.

[Lord of the Farce]

And Graham Kennedy is by no means objective in his method and unbiased in his results. Most of his calculations are flawed and useless at best. Lies at worst.

Well duh ( ). I mean, the guy pulls out info from the tech manuals whenever it suits him and turns it into psuedo-canon by calling it "Backstage Info", and worse are his crimes against humanity (aka "Portal"). But when someone says that 3 gigatons is higher than what is stated at DITL and it doesn't actually seem to be the case (unless the figure was actually based on the shields being split to six sections), I just feel obligated to point it out.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

How powerful are bord cubes?

What is their shield power?

I only asked this question because I saw that it's generally considered that one SW ship (ISD for example) could destroy multiple Federation ships... so I wondered if the Borg ships could stand in the SW universe... since they actually did this (destroying dozens of Fed ships with one ship).

However ISDs can destroy hundreads or even thousands of Federation ships.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Weren't the guns on the TF's cap ship level? They were to big and slow to be anti fighter, I thought they'd've been the 200gt guns on the Acclamators.

No, they're kiloton level. And they managed to pick off the droids on the Nabboo cruiser.

I dunno. I'd place them at megaton at least. They were pretty big for kiloton level weapons. For megaton even.

1. They were not big.
2. You<ICS.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I'm talking about the 42 quadlaser emplacements around the circumfrence refered to in the Ep. 1 ICS. They look comparable in size to a MTL or so. I'm not talking about the 8-kiloton rated point-defense-lasers chronicaled in the Ep. 2 ICS.

[Lord of the Farce]

I'm talking about the 42 quadlaser emplacements around the circumfrence refered to in the Ep. 1 ICS. They look comparable in size to a MTL or so. I'm not talking about the 8-kiloton rated point-defense-lasers chronicaled in the Ep. 2 ICS.

In other words, you are talking about the quad turrets on the "ring" section, not the PD guns on the "sphere". Right?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Precisely.

[Lord Pounder]

oh wow another troll trying to tell us that a BC could live for more than 5 seconds in the that GFFA. I think the Falcon would have a Borg Cube for breakfast. All these pussy ships with Wap-cores are crap. A Tramp freighter can beat them. Stop being silly. All this facination with Borg Cubes is getting annoying. We have well established that any Star Wars ship can wipe out ST universe ships PERIOD.