501st Stroom Troopers vs Starfleet do gooders

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2005-10-06 05:38pm

Which organization would you join? the 501st or the Starfleet peeps both groups seem ok more or less

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2005-10-06 05:43pm

If I was going to war, the Stormtroopers. If I was not at war, definantly a redshirt. Life just seems to be so much more peaceful in the Fedeation.

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2005-10-06 05:48pm

actually I am talking real life the 501st storm troopers go to conventions and have fun while the Starfleet peeps go around helping people and doing charity stuff. I seen the 501st at Dragoncon in Atlanta Ga most of them have pretty cool looking costumes. the Starfkeet seem to wear standard fellt issue noth really special though

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2005-10-06 05:50pm

here is link for the 501st
http://www.501st.com/documents/501stcharter.htm

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-10-06 05:53pm

So a professional army versus con goers?!

No matter how bad the Federation is, they do not rate below a hyped up fan.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-10-06 07:57pm

Haven't we had something along these lines before, with the 501st being provided with the SW versions of their prop weapons and sent against the Feddies?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-10-06 08:02pm

The Imperials actually take steps to protect its troops. 'nuff said.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-10-06 08:04pm

Damn it, I missed the part about these being real life organizations.

OK, I'd still join the 501. They actually seem to have FUN

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2005-10-06 08:55pm

Elheru Aran wrote:Haven't we had something along these lines before, with the 501st being provided with the SW versions of their prop weapons and sent against the Feddies?

The recent one? That was 501st vs a Romulan invasion army.

Sharpshooter · Post by **Sharpshooter** » 2005-10-07 02:30am

Any information on these Starfleet Do-Gooders? Google doesn't give me much info...

...eh, doesn't matter - I'd still go with the 501st. Same sort of mission, same sort of guidelines and setup, but better garb.

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2005-10-07 01:21pm

i found this http://www.sfi.org/welcome/index.htm

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-10-07 05:24pm

Both are decent organizations, but the 501st is more appealing to me.
I'd rather dress as a Snowtrooper than a Vulcan.

And the 501st seems to get a whole lot more publicity.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2005-10-08 11:41pm

I too would rather join the 501st. I'd love a Ep3 Clonetrooper armour set, either with the blue in movie 501st paint job or the red one seen on the troops following Palpy.

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2005-10-10 12:53pm

I tend to agree the only thing is that i would guess storm tooper i mean decent to nice stuff would cost more than a wimpy star fleet uniform. At this monent. I am not in country there is a group here in Italy but i dont speak the language to well. I guess one could be the quite guy that just stands in the corner though. oh well

Post by **Coyote** » 2005-10-10 01:55pm

Well, I'm a member of the 501st and my day job is to be a squad leader in the US Army Combat Engineers; I also have a modest collection of personally owned firearms. So if there were a force-on-force clash and for some reason I was caught in my PVC-plastic armor at the time, I'd have a distinct advantage over the rather pastoral-like Starfleet officers.

At that point, it becomes a numbers game, and my ability to shoot, move & reload vs. their ability to learn "tactics" amd "cover fire/flanking maneuver" within the initial 20 seconds of the engagement. And how quickly I can get my hands on a phaser. But I'm just one example.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-10-10 01:59pm

Stormtroopers/Clonetroopers can be vicious in combat.

What's a red shirt going to do, file a complaint?

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2005-10-12 07:29pm

jawbertsc wrote:Which organization would you join? the 501st or the Starfleet peeps both groups seem ok more or less

when retards fight everyone wins, both sides fight...we laugh.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-10-21 04:42am

I would join the 501st, simply because the chances of wearing a helmet would be higher, thus I could hide my shameful geekiness from the world, then afterward put my suit away and nobody would be the wiser!

On the other hand, a suit of Stormtrooper armor costs about $5,000, whereas a set of SF pajamas or some velour isn't going to set me back so much...

Hmm.. personal dignity vs. petty cash. Decisions, decisions!

How about I just point and laugh at all the nerds?

And if they give to charity, I'll forgive them for being so nerdy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-21 12:35pm

Even if only 1% of 501st members have actual military training like Coyote, that's 1% more people in the 501st who understand military tactics than we would have in a group of Starfleet redshirts.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-10-21 02:06pm

According to the numbers recently published in Star Wars Insider, one clonetrooper could defeat a large percentage of Starfleet itself in person-to-person combat (assuming Starfleet personel are equivilent to a battle droid).

So guess who has the better training?

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-10-22 01:56am

Darth Wong wrote:Even if only 1% of 501st members have actual military training like Coyote, that's 1% more people in the 501st who understand military tactics than we would have in a group of Starfleet redshirts.

That's assuming none of these redshirts understand military tactics or have actual military training.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-22 07:42am

Kurgan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Even if only 1% of 501st members have actual military training like Coyote, that's 1% more people in the 501st who understand military tactics than we would have in a group of Starfleet redshirts.
That's assuming none of these redshirts understand military tactics or have actual military training.

Have you ever watched Star Trek?

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2005-10-22 07:50am

Well, that's assuming that these real-lifers imitate those we've seen entirely...

Which makes me wonder just how big the security department of Trek is, which may or may alter the relevance of the "redshirt" joke...

(Darth Wong, this isn't trying to be equivocating, but I've speculated that "the redshirt effect" might actually be from minimalism.)

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-10-22 08:20am

The question of this thread seems to be, what would happen if both 501st and Starfleet, the real life organizations, were pitted against each other in a brawl.

It's not like all Star Trek fans are pimply basement loving children. There's Starfleet Marine Corps, and right on their opening statement there's a suggestion that some members have a military background, so there goes the 1% kickass theory. I see no reason why the distribution of people with actual military experience in the 501st or Starfleet should deviate from each other.

If suddenly weapons and armor turned real and Starfleet were put beside 501st... this is a stupid versus. Both sides are real human beings with real motivations, and therefore would probably not resort to killing each other at once. If you really want to do this, which is really stupid, 501st has 2500+ members according to their website and Starfleet has 4500+ members according to their website. I bet a lot of these guys are wearing TOS and ENT uniforms, meaning no nerfed TNG+ phasers. As for ergonomics, whoopie, how does a Star Wars fan operate the GUI in a stormtrooper's helmet? Remember how Luke couldn't see shit because he didn't know how to use the stormtrooper helmet? If worse comes to worse they could take them off I suppose, but this is really stupid.

What a stupid versus. Both groups are run by adults (I couldn't find any age limitation) so, they won't start shooting each other just because their equipment turns real.

Brian

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2005-10-22 08:51am

LOL -- point, and I saw the Starfleet Marine Corps yesterday. While I think it's a bit much, thanks for that injection of a tad bit of sensibility.

Note to self: Resist the 'read the VS board' urge better/more often.

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