Peregrine and Defiant... Star Wars ripoffs?

[Edward Yee]

To me, the Defiant is more a symbol than appropriate 'wank' material (the GCS having been the most powerful ship of its time other than the infamous D'deridex-class warbirds).

Part of its hype comes from its nature -- by its stripped-down-to-the-bone appearance, lack of amenities and its explicitness about its warfighting nature (unlike the GCS), it brought the "rise of militarism in the Federation" closer than the Feds may have been comfortable with (though of course the DS9 crew was inexplicably untroubled by that, yet so by Section 31).

[Kamakazie Sith]

I don't recall Defiants doing anything to jusify their 'stronger in combat than a GCS' fan wanking.

The Defiant did last through the entire Borg battle of FC. Otherwise, though, you're right; it's tough for it's size, but I just don't see it as an ubership, and I'm always surprised when people seem to think it'd be able to take on multiple large cruisers on it's own.

Ahh but a lone GCS starship also lasted through several engagements against a Borg Cube.

In fact, I don't recall of any other known GCS, besides the E-D, fighting against a cube.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Defiant (in my limited experience) seems to simply be more rugged and resistant to failures than other SF ships. The first hit through the shield seldom causes universal weapons failure, for example: they are able to keep fighting. The wanking of Defiants' weapons, however, is bizarre: versus roaches, they seem to be similar in power to Bird of Prey guns, which is hardly LOL OMGZ PWNZORED firepower.

That's more of lazyness from the Star Trek team. Some of their scenes wouldn't have worked had they not removed shields, or made certain weapons from certain ships vastly more powerful than we've seen before.

When the Defiant was first introduced she pulse phasers were more powerful than a BoP's cannons.

[Darth Servo]

Ahh but a lone GCS starship also lasted through several engagements against a Borg Cube.

1) with Q's help the first time
2) the borg wanted to capture Picard the second
3) they were trying to get to Earth ASAP later in BOBW.
4) end of BOBW, survived becasue the borg don't understand the common military concept of the watch bill

Of course the Defiant only survived by the skin of its teeth in first contact. It was so hammered that they had to beam the crew off. It was considered repairable but out of the fight.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Ahh but a lone GCS starship also lasted through several engagements against a Borg Cube.

1) with Q's help the first time
2) the borg wanted to capture Picard the second
3) they were trying to get to Earth ASAP later in BOBW.
4) end of BOBW, survived becasue the borg don't understand the common military concept of the watch bill

Of course the Defiant only survived by the skin of its teeth in first contact. It was so hammered that they had to beam the crew off. It was considered repairable but out of the fight.

Very true. However, the Defiant had many friends. The E-D was all by herself.

[Bromma_Herman]

The Enterprise D was not alone in that Battle. It was due to Picards instints that he ordered the fleet to target the vulnerable spot on the Borg Cube.

Without the other ships, Enterprise D would probably not be able to breach the hull, quantum torpedoes or not.

[Gildor]

I believe you're thinking of the Enterprise-E in STFC. In BoBW, the Enterprise-D was by her lonesome, because what ships Starfleet mustered were butchered at Wolf 359.