A truely sobering look at a Christian...

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2005-10-20 11:28am

Being discussed was the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. For those who don't know that parable, the rich man goes to Hell, Lazarus goes to Heaven. The rich man is in torment, wants Lazarus to give him a drop of water to ease the pain, . . . no can do. . . . , then the rich man asked Lazarus to go and warn his family, . . . . again, no can do. Anyway, here's what one of the guys said in answer to some questions posed. I'll highlight the important part.

mikebr wrote:1) we are not told about why they are where they are
2) one cannot enjoy heaven if one can see hell
3) one drop of water will not relieve any pain

melted wrote:These really do not present any argument against Christ's words being literal. In brief answer to the objections:

1) It does not matter, the rest of the Bible fills this in nicely. Even so, it is at least hinted that the rich man is worldly and Lazarus humble.
2) How do you know? I will certainly enjoy whatever is my Lord's will to do.
3) Sure, a drop of water would relieve some pain.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-10-20 11:30am

Where is there so called love for the fellow man there?

"Oh yeah, if I get up there and the Lord is a sadistic bastard, I'll be having a whale of a time! Maybe I'll get my own whips and I can go round whipping homosexuals, jews, muslims, atheists and whoever annoys me on the board!"

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-20 12:37pm

Remember the right-wing Christian definition of love and hate: it's hate if you torture somebody yourself, but it's "love" if you cheer somebody else on while he does it. Because after all, now you're just "rebuking the sinner".

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » 2005-10-20 12:38pm

Are all the US christians like that?!! (or at least the majority)

gosh, even friends raise by the Jesus's Company are nowhere near like that....

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-10-20 12:46pm

Mobius wrote:Are all the US christians like that?!! (or at least the majority)

gosh, even friends raise by the Jesus's Company are nowhere near like that....

No, very few people are like that. Most Christians I've met have been very nice people; it's just the nutjobs who do stuff like that.

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » 2005-10-20 12:48pm

but as usual they are the most noisy

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-20 12:57pm

Molyneux wrote:No, very few people are like that. Most Christians I've met have been very nice people; it's just the nutjobs who do stuff like that.

You're missing the point; they may not do vicious things to others themselves, but they're perfectly willing to cheer on God if he does it. And that is not just a fringe minority.

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » 2005-10-20 01:02pm

And somehow they think Lazarus was wrong to suffer for his friend? Was the bible wrong to suggest that perhaps people in heaven should feel pity for those in hell? Uh oh, time for the WoI!

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2005-10-20 01:56pm

Happy to note that none of the Christians, at least in Russia even believe in a torturer-God and "eternal lake of fire". Most view Hell as a bad joke or as a willing separation from God... which is far better than the fundie concept.
Then again, Russia is not heavily fundie-indocrinated.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-20 02:02pm

I remember once hearing a guest speaker who happened to be a preacher from Texas. It was a truly frightening experience. Especially the part when he started talking about how the US military was the "righteous hand of God".

CrimsonRaine · Post by **CrimsonRaine** » 2005-10-20 02:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:I remember once hearing a guest speaker who happened to be a preacher from Texas. It was a truly frightening experience. Especially the part when he started talking about how the US military was the "righteous hand of God".

Oh, good Christ. He's like some of these Baptists, then, who justified Katrina hitting New Orleans as the wrath of God. Since, you know, New Orleans was just busting at the seams with sinners. So you know, people losing everything they own and becoming homeless, that was okay, because God just had to punish the sinners.

Christ, I feel dirty thinking about it. I'm going to go scrub.

Magnetic · Post by **Magnetic** » 2005-10-20 02:33pm

I'm just about convinced that all the impressions of Hell are completely man made, as well as the Old Testiment conquering. It all exudes mostly anger and rage towards pretty much the whole human race, right from the beginning. And the idea of Hell was just a 'scare tactic' thought up by impressionable men (probably due to Dante's Inferno) to get people saved so they (the church) could get THEIR 10% tithes from those people too.

What does it say about humanity that some would believe it, fully back such treatment, and sometimes almost seem happy about it?

You're suppose to "love your enemies, do good to them that harm you, etc", but even the martyred saints cry out for justice against them that martyred them.

Do they REALLY love people, or is it just 'double talk'?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2005-10-20 02:35pm

I remember once seeing a high-budget movie "Meggido" or something of the sort, which was blatant fundie propaganda. It had good FX and stuff... In the end it shows American-Mexican Army of God beating the Godless Europeans and Russians in the Battle of Armageddon. The leader of Europe and Russia (Which is called unsurprisingly World Union and spends time to feed the poor and etc...) is... uh... Antichrist and the Devil in one. He's like really rich and helps people to build a better world. I dunno why, but maybe because God is real jealous, he kills the fellow in a massive Armageddon Battle after the Antichrist proclaims himself God.

In the end G.O.D. blew up the infidels with something that looked akin to a thermonuclear blast.

That was a lot scarier for me than a loonie's preaching.

Some screens:

This guy:
- he's the Devil
- he helped a lot of people out and made hunger in Africa a memory
- he united Russia and Europe in a World Union
- his crimes are - he killed his father for his money, and he proclaimed himself God at a point in the movie...

That's it. Anti-Christ, MAN... he's scary.

Uh-oh, God's fav modus operandi - the godless WU is striken with nasty stuff. Thousands of WU people die.. (and go to Hell, yeah...)

God's ultimate weapon...

Dreaded enemy: World Union, with some Russian flags.

The WU flag is even less ambitious, it's just Red. Yeah, godless...

World Union attack God's Army... HOORAAH!

God, using the SAME FX as in "Indiana Jones", in an act of Genocide wipes out the ungodly EU and Russians.
None of the Americans are touched by God's Striking Nuke o' Doom.

Then God made a new world, a better one. A one to his liking, where no people are seen.

POTUS is the Chosen One, Chosen by GOD to lead the American Army against the Godless WU...

Fundies ask the president to SMASH the WU...

A Warrior of the Army of God.

Do people really BUY and SEE this movie, did it screen in theatres? That's hardly any better than Red Dawn, but mixed with Fundie-ism, and directed with LUNATIC hatred to the entire "anti-american" world...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-10-20 02:56pm

Never heard of it, Stas. Is this it?

LOL! It doesn't even show up legitimately but once on a KCeasy search! There's like three dozen results but all but one are viruses. It must really be that God-Awful...

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2005-10-20 03:00pm

Einhander Sn0m4n
Oh yeah

they put in on TV while I was in Germany, with a title "good, solid apocalyptic movie". I should have known what I was about to see...

But I would actually pay to buy this movie, it's like "so good it's bad"... and then an endless source of cool screenies... God's Nuke is just my personal fav.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-10-20 03:34pm

Good lord! Is that Master Bra'tac up there, the fundie with the funny robes?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-20 04:50pm

Elheru Aran wrote:Good lord! Is that Master Bra'tac up there, the fundie with the funny robes?

Thankfully, no.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-10-20 04:52pm

The first and second screenshots want me to say 'OMG, It's the Brotherhood of Nod! Kane Lives in Death!'.

Post by **weemadando** » 2005-10-20 05:54pm

I saw Omega Code 1 at the cinema (I had a Gold Pass at the time, so saw EVERY movie that year).

Watched Omega Code 2 on DVD to see if it was as bad as I thought. Yes. Yes it was.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-10-21 12:40am

Nephtys wrote:The first and second screenshots want me to say 'OMG, It's the Brotherhood of Nod! Kane Lives in Death!'.

I think a fleshed-out Tiberian Sun would have made a pretty cool B-movie. Kane was badass.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-10-21 12:51am

Magnetic wrote:I'm just about convinced that all the impressions of Hell are completely man made, as well as the Old Testiment conquering. It all exudes mostly anger and rage towards pretty much the whole human race, right from the beginning.

Since the Israelites of Biblical times strike me as a rather xenophobic culture that's not very suprising. What do you expect from a race that believes itself to be the chosen people of God and thinks of all foreign cultures as abominable?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2005-10-21 12:54am

NecronLord wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:Good lord! Is that Master Bra'tac up there, the fundie with the funny robes?
Thankfully, no.

IMDB says otherwise
Number 9, number 9, number 9...

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2005-10-21 01:16am

Hotfoot
Oh my...

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-10-21 10:32am

Magnetic wrote:And the idea of Hell was just a 'scare tactic' thought up by impressionable men (probably due to Dante's Inferno)

Interesting sidenote, for a while the Divine Comedy was considered heretical because Dante had the gall to have the protagonist meet several members of the clergy during his trip through Hell.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2005-10-21 12:25pm

Stas Bush wrote:I remember once seeing a high-budget movie "Meggido" or something of the sort, which was blatant fundie propaganda. It had good FX and stuff... In the end it shows American-Mexican Army of God beating the Godless Europeans and Russians in the Battle of Armageddon. The leader of Europe and Russia (Which is called unsurprisingly World Union and spends time to feed the poor and etc...) is... uh... Antichrist and the Devil in one. He's like really rich and helps people to build a better world. I dunno why, but maybe because God is real jealous, he kills the fellow in a massive Armageddon Battle after the Antichrist proclaims himself God.

In the end G.O.D. blew up the infidels with something that looked akin to a thermonuclear blast.

That was a lot scarier for me than a loonie's preaching.

Some screens:
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/11megiddo.jpg
This guy:
- he's the Devil
- he helped a lot of people out and made hunger in Africa a memory
- he united Russia and Europe in a World Union
- his crimes are - he killed his father for his money, and he proclaimed himself God at a point in the movie...

That's it. Anti-Christ, MAN... he's scary.
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/06megiddo.jpg
Uh-oh, God's fav modus operandi - the godless WU is striken with nasty stuff. Thousands of WU people die.. (and go to Hell, yeah...)
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/19megiddo.jpg
God's ultimate weapon...
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/16megiddo.jpg
Dreaded enemy: World Union, with some Russian flags.
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/13megiddo.jpg
The WU flag is even less ambitious, it's just Red. Yeah, godless...
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/15megiddo.jpg
World Union attack God's Army... HOORAAH!
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/20megiddo.jpg
God, using the SAME FX as in "Indiana Jones", in an act of Genocide wipes out the ungodly EU and Russians.
None of the Americans are touched by God's Striking Nuke o' Doom.
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/03megiddo.jpg
Then God made a new world, a better one. A one to his liking, where no people are seen.
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/09megiddo.jpg
POTUS is the Chosen One, Chosen by GOD to lead the American Army against the Godless WU...
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/10megiddo.jpg
Fundies ask the president to SMASH the WU...
http://usatruth.by.ru/pics2/18megiddo.jpg
A Warrior of the Army of God.

Do people really BUY and SEE this movie, did it screen in theatres? That's hardly any better than Red Dawn, but mixed with Fundie-ism, and directed with LUNATIC hatred to the entire "anti-american" world...

It was, like Omega Code 1, a direct to video release with teasers shown on the fundie channels. They now sell them as a two-pack set.

On the side: China joins the army of God despite being an atheistic nation (to fulfill part of the revalations prophecy about a mighty eastern nation that refuses to join) simply because their current leader thinks devil boy is an asshole.

IIRC we never see if they survive God's WMD.

However he has an interesting coversation with devil boy Stone Alexander

SA: Won't you join with me, we can help save lives your losing hundreds a day

Premier: We can lose half a million and still remain strong.

SA: You would sacrifice so many

Premier: (putting his face right up to the camera) Wouldn't you?

In his pro-american diatribe he has to make our 'ally' look bad too.

The director is also one of theose Jesus=God fellows since when the devil (the coolest special effect in the movie, no its true CGI Satan looks like a gargoyle and is pretty well rendered) exits Alexander's body and gets cast down he refers to God as "Nazarene", since Lucifer knew God before all the Jesus stuff why would he call him Nazarene?