Stark wrote:
Ah, that clears it up. I've heard many people say they don't feel nDW is as good/valid/etc as oDW... and really, oDW was pretty much garbage most of the time. I liked it when I was a kid, but some of it was just ugh. Even B7 was better!
I have decided I would put the quotes in after all so people know what I was talking about.
Even Stark - I am insulted!
Ender wrote: B5 is so heavily fantasy you don't even need to argue it.
Actually, you are partly right - but still its definitely SF.
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Stark wrote: I had the misfortune to see a rerun of 'Time-Flight' the other day, and it was APPALLING. It had Voyager-level technobabble, magical jelly men, and evil wizards. And the *worst* incidental music I've even struggled to hear dialogue over. Doctor Who has NEVER been hard sci-fi - and it was never supposed to be. Ironically, even nBSG has fantasy elements. Turns out there is no 'hard' scifi on television: who'd a thunk it?
My personal opinion was that DW was best during the Pertwee and Tom Baker eras. Nearing the end of Baker's era it had started to decrease in quality. However from what I remembered of DW, even at its worse (I ahve seen time flight) the technobabble merely served to make the Doctor look knowledgeable, unlike ST episodes where the technobabble becomes the focus of the entire episode - eg making the Delta flyer, modifying Voyager to travel faster than standard warp etc.
Never apologise for being a geek, because they won't apologise to you for being an arsehole. John Barrowman - 22 June 2014 Perth Supernova.
Countries I have been to - 14.
Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
B5B7 wrote:Dear USS Enterprise - you sound like a ST fan.
ST science is mainly fantasy eg Universal Translator [look at STV The 37s], transporter, Genesis Device, etc.
Many years ago Fredrick Pohl, an experienced SF author & editor, said that he could take any mythical story, eg Midas, & turn it into an SF story.
Its not the source of a story that determines if it is SF, but its treatment, eg Alien movie is SF, its source is basically the haunted house story.
Yes, SW is Space Opera, and SO is not fantasy [indeed many of the best hard SF novels currently coming out of principally Britain are SOs].
Oh, BTW The Silence and I - background is what makes something SF, the focus of the story can be anything.
Ender and Stark - I won't quote what you said [basically just humourous asides] - but look at my Username!
Forbidden Planet had better communicators than ST - as had video as well as audio [this in TOS was due to budget restraints - later series don't have that excuse].
As to "stealing" it could instead be considered "inspiration".
I think of FP as the ST pilot.
