Dark Lord; Rise of Darth Vader (Spoilers)

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2005-10-29 09:59pm

The UK release date is the 3rd of November and amazon.co.uk is already dispatching it. I had some bad experience with the quality of UK Hardcovers though and will get the Del Rey Books version instead.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-10-29 10:57pm

VT-16 wrote:
the result of the Victor project between Rendili and Kuat
Hahah, another win for Latin-ized SW!

It still calls it the Victory class earlier in the paragraph.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-10-30 04:21am

Yes, but the original name comes from Latin, similar to the Imperial-class. Good enough for me. ;)

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2005-10-30 08:47am

The name of the project hardly translates to the 'original' name for the ship itself. The atomic bomb is not 'originally' called a "Manhattan bomb" because it is the product of the Manhattan Project. The fact that the Victor Initiative Project developed the Victory-class Star Destroyer does not mean that she was originally designated Victor-class (as Ender pointed out, The New Essential Chronology retains the designation Victory-class, despite using the term "Victor Initiative Project").

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-30 09:38am

Humm. Wookies tearing limbs off: Check.
Enslavement of Wookies by Vader and Moff Tarkin: Check
Elaboration of Sidious' thoughts on the Rule of Two: Check
Confirmation of Sidious murdering Plagueis in his sleep: Check

Lots of good stuff in that book. I'd give it 9/10.

Interestingly, Plagueis never knew the secret of immortality either.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-10-30 09:47am

Vader kicking ass?
Any good guy's or the renegade stormtroopers escaping?
Any angst?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-10-30 10:15am

The fact that the Victor Initiative Project developed the Victory-class Star Destroyer does not mean that she was originally designated Victor-class (as Ender pointed out, The New Essential Chronology retains the designation Victory-class, despite using the term "Victor Initiative Project").

True, but I can't read this as anything other than an attempt at linking the tradition of Latin names for dagger-shaped vessels in the Republic/Imperial fleets with the Victory-class. Even if only the design-project bore this name and not the class itself.

Btw. I've heard that Latin is treated as an ancient language in the SW galaxy. What is the name for it there?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-10-30 11:27am

There really is no reason for the Victory to be Latinized. The Latin ship class names seems to be a mainly Kuati thing, and Rendili was the primary manufacturer of the Victory (regardless of whatever help they recieved from KDY in research, other sources indicate Rendili reaped all the benefits from the Victory-class, leading KDY to respond with the Venator and the Imperator). Why should Rendili use the same naming conventions as Kuat?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-10-30 11:29am

Btw. I've heard that Latin is treated as an ancient language in the SW galaxy. What is the name for it there?

I have nothing to base this hypothesis on, but it may be an ancient Kuati language, as it's most often seen used in reference to their ships.

But again, that's just idle speculation.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-10-30 12:20pm

There really is no reason for the Victory to be Latinized

True, but I thought it was a fun idea and apparently so did the NEC author(s), hence the IU reference.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-30 12:46pm

DEATH wrote:Vader kicking ass?

Fancy saber styles < Vader.

Any good guy's or the renegade stormtroopers escaping?

Two of them seem to escaped, most of the Jedi characters are still alive.

Any angst?

Lots. But tastefully done.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-10-30 01:25pm

In other words a far better bang for buck compared to the Child choking uber arrogant over the top "Unseen queen"?
(Honestly, I just want THUD! to reach these miserable shores

)

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-10-30 08:34pm

More spoilers! Detailed ones!

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-10-30 09:50pm

You don't need to microfont spoilers in a thread that says spoilers. Just do it. Nike.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2005-10-31 12:19am

NecronLord wrote:Fancy saber styles < Vader.

I like

Elaboration of Sidious' thoughts on the Rule of Two: Check

So what are Sidious' thoughts on the Rule of Two?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-10-31 12:22am

Another question -- are the Senators and public given an explanation for the damage sustained to the Senate antechamer during the Sidious/Yoda duel?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-31 04:37am

JME2 wrote:Another question -- are the Senators and public given an explanation for the damage sustained to the Senate antechamer during the Sidious/Yoda duel?

No, they're told to STFU and stop being anti-American, err, Republican. Rumour gets out that Yoda confronted Palpatine in the Senate Rotunda.

So what are Sidious' thoughts on the Rule of Two?

While there is no real need for it any more, but making multiple true sith would be more trouble than it's worth. He also notes that it wasn't a hard and fast rule, and that some Sith Lords made themselves exceptions during the 1000 years of hiding. Further, he only keeps Vader around in order to honour Darth Bane, and has no intenetion any more of letting Vader become more powerful than him and kill him.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-10-31 12:29pm

NecronLord wrote: Further, he only keeps Vader around in order to honour Darth Bane, and has no intenetion any more of letting Vader become more powerful than him and kill him.

Huh? I thought he specifically chose Anakin because he could become more powerful than him.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-31 12:40pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:Huh? I thought he specifically chose Anakin because he could become more powerful than him.

But now he thinks he can become immortal, and so, perpetuating the Sith lineage is pointless, because he'll always be there.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-10-31 04:10pm

NecronLord wrote:
NecronLord wrote:drive a Star Destroyer over the idea that he's weaker because of his lost limbs.
To elaborate, Darth Sidious thinks that the only things his apprentice can't do because of his injuries are summon force lightning and jump about like he used to be able to. The rest is a confidence problem.

Well I'm glad that stupid notion is contradicted. BTW, where the hell di it orginate From? The OT clearly shows that Vader is VERY powerful and the PT doesn't really contradict that.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-10-31 04:48pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
NecronLord wrote:drive a Star Destroyer over the idea that he's weaker because of his lost limbs.
To elaborate, Darth Sidious thinks that the only things his apprentice can't do because of his injuries are summon force lightning and jump about like he used to be able to. The rest is a confidence problem.
Well I'm glad that stupid notion is contradicted. BTW, where the hell di it orginate From? The OT clearly shows that Vader is VERY powerful and the PT doesn't really contradict that.

I think it originally stemmed from his lack of spinning and twirling like an insane ballerina.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2005-10-31 05:20pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
NecronLord wrote: To elaborate, Darth Sidious thinks that the only things his apprentice can't do because of his injuries are summon force lightning and jump about like he used to be able to. The rest is a confidence problem.
Well I'm glad that stupid notion is contradicted. BTW, where the hell di it orginate From? The OT clearly shows that Vader is VERY powerful and the PT doesn't really contradict that.
I think it originally stemmed from his lack of spinning and twirling like an insane ballerina.

OH Yeah!! Now I remember. I found that explanation to be BS too.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-10-31 06:02pm

This book describes Vader's sword style as taking the best from every other known combat 'form' including the high-level ones, and combining it with superior strength.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2005-10-31 06:46pm

NecronLord wrote:This book describes Vader's sword style as taking the best from every other known combat 'form' including the high-level ones, and combining it with superior strength.

By "strength" I assume you mean strength in the Force.

But does it go into any specifics on his cybernetic replacements? IE physically stronger, faster, etc, than he was before?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-10-31 06:58pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
NecronLord wrote: To elaborate, Darth Sidious thinks that the only things his apprentice can't do because of his injuries are summon force lightning and jump about like he used to be able to. The rest is a confidence problem.
Well I'm glad that stupid notion is contradicted. BTW, where the hell di it orginate From? The OT clearly shows that Vader is VERY powerful and the PT doesn't really contradict that.
I think it originally stemmed from his lack of spinning and twirling like an insane ballerina.

Or from one of GL's interviews. Vanity i think. We once had a thread about it.