[ali-sama] Marvel Juggernaut vs Sidious and Dooku

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2005-10-30 07:57pm

I know that this is going to rub some people the wrong way, as there are a lot of starwars fans on this site, but I thought...what the hell.

So Juggernaut from Marvel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_(comics)

vs sidious and dooku. This is oldschool kickass juggernaut, not pussy whipped new juggernaut. The setting would be in the senate chambers where yoda and sidious fought, although the battle would certainly leave the building I imagine.

I don't think the lightsabre would do much damage, probably non as juggy can withstand temperatures hotter than the sun.

I think the fight would be over in about 5 minutes after he tossed a building on them.

Opinions anyone?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-10-30 08:16pm

This goes in Fantasy. Noob.

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2005-10-30 08:23pm

Lukedanieljames wrote:I know that this is going to rub some people the wrong way, as there are a lot of starwars fans on this site, but I thought...what the hell.

Why would this of all things rub people the wrong way?

So Juggernaut from Marvel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_(comics)

vs sidious and dooku. This is oldschool kickass juggernaut, not pussy whipped new juggernaut. The setting would be in the senate chambers where yoda and sidious fought, although the battle would certainly leave the building I imagine.

I don't think the lightsabre would do much damage, probably non as juggy can withstand temperatures hotter than the sun.

I think the fight would be over in about 5 minutes after he tossed a building on them.

Opinions anyone?

When did the Juggernaut withstand temperatures hotter than the Sun? Here's a Marvel Directory article on him. The part on his damage resistance:

Besides giving him vast superhuman strength, the mystical energy of Cyttorak gives the Juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury. The Juggernaut can shield himself even further from injury by mentally surrounding himself with a force field. Enveloped by his force field, the Juggernaut has survived the fiery explosion of a truck transporting a huge quantity of oil without any injury whatsoever.
The Juggernaut can survive indefinitely without food, water, or oxygen. He is sustained by his mystical energies alone.

Which doesn't put him on par with surviving in the Sun.

So since you're putting him up against two Sith Lords I assume they TK his helmet off and mind-fuck him to kingdom come.

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2005-10-30 08:32pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

here is more information, for some reason i didn't paste the right link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

this does mention he was exposed to temperatures hotter than the sun, which doesn't go against what marvel has on their site. Of course we all know how comic book consistancy goes.

What proof do you have they can T.K. juggernaut's helmet off? He's taken punches to the head the hulk and thor without his helmet coming off.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-10-30 08:42pm

The Newbie has obviously never heard of a Force Storm.

Also, if Wolverine's admantium claws can break off Juggernaughts helmet, what do you think I lightsaber can do it it?
Slash the bolts, toss the helmet off, and Palpatine has a new weapon.

Juggernaught augmented by Star wars technology and Sith Alchemy = Kick ass

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2005-10-30 09:03pm

One Sith levitates Juggy six inches off the ground and holds him there, leaving him with nothing to do but flap his arms and yell. The other Sith then lightsabers the bolts off of the helmet of his basically helpless foe, and the game is over.

Blackwing · Post by **Blackwing** » 2005-10-30 09:35pm

Erhm... No offense, but where exactly in the Jedi/Sith archives does it say 'When you encounter the Juggernaut, take off his helmer because it give him his protection from your mindfucking abilities'?

Oh... right... nowhere, so they don't have any fucking clue it's the helmet doing the trick. \

ArchMage · Post by **ArchMage** » 2005-10-30 09:39pm

how would they know about the helmet?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2005-10-30 10:32pm

The biggest problem is that Juggs has been reduced to a skeleton and kept on ticking. Just cutting off his head with a lightsaber isn't going to do the trick.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-10-30 10:35pm

Yogi wrote:The biggest problem is that Juggs has been reduced to a skeleton and kept on ticking. Just cutting off his head with a lightsaber isn't going to do the trick.

Of course, in that shot, his head isn't cut off, and appears to be largely intact. Perhaps it is necissary to sustain his incredible endurance. Thus, decaptiation might do the trick.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-10-30 10:41pm

Its not largely intact though, its a skull in his helmet. His entire body is gone, his muscles and tendons, all that is holding him together, i imagine, is his mystical forcefield. His head is not in tact, indeed it should have fallen apart, the skeleton, without anything to hold it together. I think, looking at that and this is just a guess, you'd need to disrupt that field to kill him then.

Or get the helmet off and mindfuck him. But then you get the question, how would they know to remove the helmet, having never encountered such a thing before.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-10-30 10:53pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote: Or get the helmet off and mindfuck him. But then you get the question, how would they know to remove the helmet, having never encountered such a thing before.

Ever cored an apple? Kind of like that. With an lightsaber. *nods*

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-10-30 11:05pm

Unless we're going to say that Juggy can physically strike the Sith, they're going to work out pretty quickly that their regular attacks aren't working. How far down the list of 'Sith Strategy 101' do you think 'removing the head' is? Indeed, he can be not-dead as much as he wants: when he's a head in a helmet, what's he going to do?

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2005-10-30 11:25pm

Stark wrote:Unless we're going to say that Juggy can physically strike the Sith, they're going to work out pretty quickly that their regular attacks aren't working. How far down the list of 'Sith Strategy 101' do you think 'removing the head' is? Indeed, he can be not-dead as much as he wants: when he's a head in a helmet, what's he going to do?

well he isn't fast enough to actually hit them physically with a big boot or fist, he can easily toss some very heavy chunks of building at them,
far heavier than those senate pods or cylindrical steel object that dooku tried to drop on obi-wan.

He's resistant to all sorts of energy weapons and beams,
Xmen cartoon is a lower form of cannon than the comics, i think there is a lot of contradiction between wolverine cutting off his helmet and what has happened in the comics, i had forgotten about that scene in the cartoon.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-10-30 11:34pm

As Stark says, "going after the head" and "removing the helmet that protects the head" are hardly unintuitive ideas. I'd say they're natural responses to an enemy that you can't seem to damage. Also, the Juggernaut's ability to survive weapons as hot as the surface of the Sun is not that impressive; a modern industrial plasma torch can produce temperatures which are more than twice as high as the Sun's surface temperature.

Worst-case scenario: if they decide that they can't hurt or kill him, they can always just levitate him until they can order a shuttle to put a tractor beam on him. Then they just haul him off to the nearest star and drop him inside. Enjoy eternity, Marko.

Post by **weemadando** » 2005-10-30 11:50pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:how would they know to remove the helmet, having never encountered such a thing before.

Prove to me that going for a head/neck strike is in some way NOT going to be one of the first actions of a Sith facing off against such an adversary.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-10-31 01:47am

Amusingly, sabre users are prone to 'honour kills' like removing hands etc. If sabres can cut Juggys armour, then he's quickly going to be hobbling about on stumps and unable to pick anything up. Again, if you can burn him to a skeleton, you can seriously fuck him up: just removing his hands and feet are going to render him pretty useless.

Actually, crippling him and installing him in a film studio might suit a Sith: 24 hours a day, live screaming helmet-guy! SMS your favourite torture, and watch it live!

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2005-10-31 02:32am

Lukedanieljames wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

here is more information, for some reason i didn't paste the right link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

this does mention he was exposed to temperatures hotter than the sun, which doesn't go against what marvel has on their site. Of course we all know how comic book consistancy goes.

What proof do you have they can T.K. juggernaut's helmet off? He's taken punches to the head the hulk and thor without his helmet coming off.

you should ask why woul they tk his helmet off. They woudl need to know his weakness in order to do this. how would they know this?

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-10-31 02:45am

ali-sama wrote:you should ask why woul they tk his helmet off. They woudl need to know his weakness in order to do this. how would they know this?

Sith enjoy fucking with people's minds, so attempting that would hardly be a stretch for them.

And, as pointed out earlier, if you wanted to smash in someone's brains, it's usually a good idea to remove any hardened shells covering it.

Blackwing · Post by **Blackwing** » 2005-10-31 03:34am

weemadando wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:how would they know to remove the helmet, having never encountered such a thing before.
Prove to me that going for a head/neck strike is in some way NOT going to be one of the first actions of a Sith facing off against such an adversary.

Have you ever SEEN Juggs' helmet? it's frikking hard to tell where his head ends and his shoulders start, let alone telling if he even has a neck.

Considdering the freaky things walking around in the wars universe it's not even sure they realise he even has a head, instead of just a a mouth and eyes portruding from an exoskeleton.

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2005-10-31 04:42am

Yogi wrote:The biggest problem is that Juggs has been reduced to a skeleton and kept on ticking. Just cutting off his head with a lightsaber isn't going to do the trick.

This also brings up another point, juggy has been a good guy and a bad guy, sort of like most pro wrestlers now a days.

When he was bad, he was an unstoppable object, but he turned good and lost a lot of his power, i believe this burning is when he was a good guy, or rather weaker,

my point is, when he was a badass, i don't think anything COULD burn him, i'm going to look into this further

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-10-31 04:49am

Darth Wong wrote:Worst-case scenario: if they decide that they can't hurt or kill him, they can always just levitate him until they can order a shuttle to put a tractor beam on him. Then they just haul him off to the nearest star and drop him inside. Enjoy eternity, Marko.

I'm partial to dropping "indestructible" objects into the event horizen of a blackhole. For something like the Galactic Empire, this is damn trivial.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-10-31 04:51am

Lukedanieljames wrote: well he isn't fast enough to actually hit them physically with a big boot or fist, he can easily toss some very heavy chunks of building at them,
far heavier than those senate pods or cylindrical steel object that dooku tried to drop on obi-wan.

If the Juggernaut is lifted a few inches off the ground and away from any objects, how the hell is he going to be chucking anything?

Lukedanieljames · Post by **Lukedanieljames** » 2005-10-31 04:54am

Well i found out some great stuff. Since I sold my marvel trading cards a million years ago, i had to search online, however

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_factor

this is great, brings back memories too

you can compare a lot of characters in healing powers,

notice that juggernaut is way above the rest, including the hulk not surprisingly.

That 'burning' that was posted was when he was a good guy then, when he lost a lot of his powers

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2005-10-31 01:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:As Stark says, "going after the head" and "removing the helmet that protects the head" are hardly unintuitive ideas. I'd say they're natural responses to an enemy that you can't seem to damage. Also, the Juggernaut's ability to survive weapons as hot as the surface of the Sun is not that impressive; a modern industrial plasma torch can produce temperatures which are more than twice as high as the Sun's surface temperature.

Worst-case scenario: if they decide that they can't hurt or kill him, they can always just levitate him until they can order a shuttle to put a tractor beam on him. Then they just haul him off to the nearest star and drop him inside. Enjoy eternity, Marko.

does the debate alow for outside help in order to get rid of a threat?
is this not unlike a dumb ass trekkie saying, janeway will sleep with Q and get him to make the empire go away. Or picard admitting his wrong so Q does the same? basically avoiding the fight.

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