Egyptian Hierographics of aircraft

[dragon]

Ok came across this site that supposedly shows 3000 year old pics of aircraft, helicoptors and maybe spacecraft. They also talk about some really questionable things such as find sanskrit documents pretaining to atnigravity. Granted its most likely just as fake as all the other ufo theories that are out there.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

[petesampras]

Ok came across this site that supposedly shows 3000 year old pics of aircraft, helicoptors and maybe spacecraft. They also talk about some really questionable things such as find sanskrit documents pretaining to atnigravity. Granted its most likely just as fake as all the other ufo theories that are out there.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

The fact that a picture resembles something does not mean in general that the artist needed to have seen that thing. The human visual system will often pick out patterns and resemblances where none exist - clouds, inkblot tests, and experiments with purely random displays.

You need to define some objective way of assessing whether the artist needed to have seen a helicoptor or aircraft to have made those pictures. The fact that we intuitively see some resemblance is not enough.

[dragon]

Kind of like how we look back at Nostrodamus and are able to interrput what he said into something that really happened.

[Bounty]

Glyphs were frequently overwritten for political or aesthetic reasons, and the older version occasionally remained partially visible, leading to...interesting imagery. Add in some degradation over time and a dash of imagination and voilà, you've got "Apaches" in ancient tombs.

[AniThyng]

Obviously, our ancient ancestors had already invented science fiction

[Elheru Aran]

That site strikes me as being rather tongue-in-cheek, given how it uses SW vehicles as 'modern-day'...

And no. This is just von Daniken-esque bullshit if it's serious.

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

This "aircraft" called the "Abydos Helicopter" has been refuted:

linky

[CaptainChewbacca]

Silly scientists, its clearly a Goa'uld death glider.

[Dooey Jo]

I was going to say that it's not so much fake as it is bad interpretations of the hieroglyphs, but then I saw that they used SW pics, and that's just too awesome

Obviously, Earth was conquered by the Empire sometime in ancient history, but the humans was probably deemed too stupid to warrant further interest...

[Broomstick]

another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis.

It is not a good sign when an essay starts off invoking an alledged ancient civilization for which no proof exists in order to "explain" phenomena of dubious existance.

It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere).

Um... or maybe it doesn't exist at all?. And North America? Why? Where? Why? The ancient Indians had no clue North America existed.

Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

1) If the Chinese really had plans for interstellar-capabale spaceships they likely wouldn't let anyone know about them, particularly not whackjobs who would blab about them on an internet web site.

2) If the Chinese had such technology they'd be a lot futher ahead in space than they already are.

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

Although "ego" can be pretty powerful, and an abundance of ego certainly does exist in pilots, I'm afraid the energy contained in that particular "force" is insufficient to "levitate" a paper airplane, much less a genuine human-carrying vehicle of any sort. And if ego alone could do it, Richard Branson would be saving a shitload of money on fuel for Virgin Airlines.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old.

"Thought" to be... not proven to be, just speculation. Uh-huh. That's not evidence, folks.

However, one of the great Indian epics, the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra")

OK.... and how well does that "highly detailed story" jibe with what we found on the Moon?

Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean,

The Atlantean civilization of which there is precisely zero actual evidence...

It flew with the "speed of the wind"

Ha! Forgive me, "speed of the wind" is just not impressive, unless you're talking hurricane or tornado.

and gave forth a "melodious sound."

THERE's the problem with modern air travel! We're going too fast so the "melodious sound" of our travel is being drowned out in the din of faster-than-wind transit!

The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves,

Really?! They didn't outsource manufacture to Eridani IV?

wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.

Alright dude - let's see these "flight manuals". Some have been translated into English? Excellent - can't wait to read 'em. C'mon - give! These machines are still existance? How amazing! Have any aerospace engineers been permitted to look at them, or just tourists kept at a safe distance?

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds.

I really can't wait to get my hands on a translation. Is it available on Amazon.com?

Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script.

No, it's not.

I've seen both scripts. Despite my unfamilarity with either language I can distinguish the two easily.

Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama Empire's Vimana route?

No, because the hypothetical "Rama Empire" supposedly existed 15,000 years ago. Easter Island was unihabited until the years started having "AD" after the number. This is based on >gasp!< ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

And around here I got bored. It's horseshit.

And the heiroglyphics of "aircraft"? PhotoShop, or the like.

[Sea Skimmer]

Wow, that’s just stupid as hell, especially the ‘submarine’ one

[Dooey Jo]

And the heiroglyphics of "aircraft"? PhotoShop, or the like.

No, that's the thing. These "UFOlogists" rarely fake their evidence. They always base all their conclusions on their own misinformed interpretations of existing things, like the Nazca lines or these hieroglyphs (they really do exist, but there's also an explanation to them and Grand Moff Yenchin posted it). Their most common mistake is that they ignore the culture of the people that made these things and see them as what they might mean had it been our modern culture that produced them. In fact, a future society would by the same methods probably conclude we had regular contact with aliens, if they got their hands on a sci-fi movie. They might think it was our "tributes" to our great alien overlords and sometimes as propaganda against them. But if they would take our culture into account, it would be very clear that it was nothing of the sort.

You see, these people really believe what they write, and completely making up their own evidences would kind of ruin that... Of course, there's also those who do it for the money, but that's another thing and it involves Raëlians...

[defanatic]

I wonder if in a thousand years time, people will find visual guides to science fiction books and come up with the same conclusions.

I also recall reading something somewhere about atlantis...
Says that atlantis was not located in the atlantic ocean, but in the mediteranean. Plato wasn't too good with egyptian numerals, so all the figures were multiplied by ten. The Pillars of Hercules were actually on Greece. The island was on a volcano. The civilisation on it was quite advanced for the time, even with its own writing! No flying cars though. Anyhoo, the volcano blew up, and killed lots of people. Some survivors made it to Greece, and brought writing with them.

1) If the Chinese really had plans for interstellar-capabale spaceships they likely wouldn't let anyone know about them, particularly not whackjobs who would blab about them on an internet web site.

You could pretty much destroy the credibility of any rumour out there by putting it on the internet.

[Adrian Laguna]

And the heiroglyphics of "aircraft"? PhotoShop, or the like.

Actually no, those pictures are originals and completely unaltered. The link provided by Grand Moff Yenchin does a good job of explaining it. I think this image pretty much sums everything up:

[Adrian Laguna]

EDIT - To explain, back then the hieroglyphs where painted in bright colors. To make corrections, you painted the originals the same color as the wall, made new carvings, and painted those carvings in bright colors. Now, the colors have faded with time and the hieroglyphs, old and new, fade into each other and it is very hard for the untrained eye to see which is which.

[Spyder]

"Bird, another bird, eye of Ra, outstretched hand, another bird, apache, another bird...wait a minute..."

[CaptainChewbacca]

"Bird, another bird, eye of Ra, outstretched hand, another bird, apache, another bird...wait a minute..."

Maybe he had a stutter

[PeZook]

Sheesh...many of these people who advocate ideas like ancient industrial civilizations that somehow disappeared fail to explain one very, very simple fact.

Where the hell did all the infrastructure go? You can't make helicopters without very specialized precision industry, a system of education, the scientific method, infrastructure for mining and refining fuel, air bases, a powerful economic base, steel foundries, etc, etc, etc...

Hell, even if they had asphalt roads some time in the past, we'd have found something by now. Infrastructure as extensive as is necessary for a modern (or even XIXth century level) country doesn't just disappear completely, even after 8 thousand years.

[Broomstick]

I also recall reading something somewhere about atlantis...
Says that atlantis was not located in the atlantic ocean, but in the mediteranean. Plato wasn't too good with egyptian numerals, so all the figures were multiplied by ten. The Pillars of Hercules were actually on Greece. The island was on a volcano. The civilisation on it was quite advanced for the time, even with its own writing! No flying cars though. Anyhoo, the volcano blew up, and killed lots of people. Some survivors made it to Greece, and brought writing with them.

Yes, the Minoan outpost of Santorini is a candidate for a "real" Atlantis. But although the Minoans were quite advanced for their time they were nowhere near the supermen legend portrays as Atlantis, and they fled their exploding island with prosaic boats, not flying machines.

Most of the survivors went to Crete, so the influence on ancient Greece was somewhat indirect.

[PainRack]

Sounds like he just watched Jackie Chan new movie, "The Myth".

[SyntaxVorlon]

HAHA Clearly Han Solo created egypt.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Debunked.

Found through the "Hoaxes & Misinterpretation" section here.

[wolveraptor]

However, one of the great Indian epics, the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra")...Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean,

None of this makes sense. Vimana, or correctly, Vamana, was a demon that this kickass blue dude, Rama fought. And beat. With the help of this other kickass monkey man who touched the sun. He was awesome.
Anyways:
Taking that into account, it the text isn't just wrong: it's unintelligible.