Does Star Trek Have Any Chance AT ALL?!

[Waddles McGee]

I have thought of only 2 scenarios where Trek Would win, and even then, it isnt that possible.

1. All ships in Star Trek Are equipped with Phasing cloaks, and the ability to fire while cloaked.(Might not work because the weapons would be phase cloaked themselves.)

2. Every ship in Star Trek managed to find the best place to fire, then be equiped with a cloak. Decloak, fire, Repeat.

Feel free to blow these out of the water. Im just looking for the slightest hope that trek wont lose, due to the fact that i am a hopeless Trekkie, although not a stupid one by far.

Plus, I disagree with the stereo-typing of trekkies lately. nowadays on this forum, stupid and Trekkie are interchangable.

Emperor Brandon

[Ghost Rider]

To the first, phase cloaking does not mean through everything, and in fact the primary problem with phase cloaking is that it's only decent to inflitrate and hide and even then, it's a fuck up.The interaction with gases and gravitation makes it a fool hardy piece of wank tech.

Ummm, yeah, and they die the instant they decloak.

Trek lost long ago, and only the fool hardy continue any crusade in any hope that somehow, someway they'll pull victory.

[Waddles McGee]

Sorry....
Just was trying to find one last little speck of light at the end of the tunnel.......*Sigh*
O well. No sence cry over it.

So, I made this in my spare time

Off-scale, of course.

[jareth1138]

Also you have the Federation battling a Galatic Empire.

The Federation is a small organization that could only field a small number of ships, do the math, even if the Feds could blow up a stardestroy in one hit, the numbers of an entire galaxy would overwhelm the Federation which is a small Power in a Quadrant of their galaxy.

Plus Phase cloak only protects the starships, what about the inhabited planets the Imperials will go after?

[Waddles McGee]

Lol, I meant every ship in trek. Even a Borg Cube!
Emperor Brandon

[FedRebel]

1. All ships in Star Trek Are equipped with Phasing cloaks, and the ability to fire while cloaked.(Might not work because the weapons would be phase cloaked themselves.)

This is something not easily acco0mplished (try impossible), anywho an Imperial ship equiped with a CGT scanner would simply follow them to thier base and, "Wipe them out...All of them."

2. Every ship in Star Trek managed to find the best place to fire, then be equiped with a cloak. Decloak, fire, Repeat.

Now that just won't work, Imperial ships have teraton level shields and very good fire coverage, you'll find very few areas to exploit

Feel free to blow these out of the water. Im just looking for the slightest hope that trek wont lose, due to the fact that i am a hopeless Trekkie, although not a stupid one by far.

They just can't

Trek is like seventeenth century Europe and the Empire is like the present day U.S. The Empire has such an edge in technology that only a small percentage of their assets can conquer the entire galaxy.

[Vicious]

Mind you, even taking a comparable sized area of the Empire and pitting the standard force allocation for that region (Sector fleet, or multiples?), they could smack the Federation silly. It's a matter of technology, not size. The Empire is, roughly, half a million years ahead of the Federation, or any of the Milky Way powers, barring the omnipotent/deus ex machina races that save Humanity from getting assraped so the series doesn't die. It's a longbows and steel blades vs depleted uranium plating and 105mm armor-piercing shells. Simply no contest.

[Instant Sunrise]

Would this mean that Star Wars equivalent of SCA is on par with the Federation?

[Vicious]

Would this mean that Star Wars equivalent of SCA is on par with the Federation?

Eh? SCA?*

Not sure what you mean.

*And no, this is from a Google search. I just thought it was funny.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Would this mean that Star Wars equivalent of SCA is on par with the Federation?

Eh? SCA?*

Not sure what you mean.

*And no, this is from a Google search. I just thought it was funny.

Society for Creative Anachronism. Think 'Knights in Shining Armor"

[Vicious]

Would this mean that Star Wars equivalent of SCA is on par with the Federation?

Eh? SCA?*

Not sure what you mean.

*And no, this is from a Google search. I just thought it was funny.

Society for Creative Anachronism. Think 'Knights in Shining Armor"

Ah, the first hit. I scrolled down and found that the Sexual Complusives Anonymous were so much funnier. In all honesty though, yes, the Star Wars galaxy's equivalent of the SCA would be able to kick their asses, since they'd have to return to what would be considered Stone Age-era techonolgy in order to match the Milky Way. Hyperdrive, the principles behind turbolasers and blasters, shiled technology etc have been in place for thousands upon thousands of years.

Truth be told, the thought of a bunch of sex-crazed pilots getting their hands on a couple of Star Destroyers and holding the Federation hostage in return for sex would be funny as hell.

[WyrdNyrd]

Why does being a fan of Star Terk necessarily mean that you have to believe that it is militarily superior to everything else?

You could simply enjoy your favourite franchise without comparisons at all.

But if you have to compare franchises, you could base your comparison on

• Storytelling ability
• Continuity
• Subjective "fun" factor
• Moral philosophy and "vision" for the future
• Special Effects
• Popularity
• Profitability
• Acting talent
• Humour
• Penis/breast size
• ...or any one of thousands of other criteria.

Now, most of these have been discussed to death here and elsewhere, as well as the original main topic of military success. And ST is still often found wanting in comparison to SW.

But my real point is, there is so much more to SciFi (and storytelling in general) than just "Who has the biggest guns?", which is the only thing that fanboys fixate on.

[petesampras]

Why does being a fan of Star Terk necessarily mean that you have to believe that it is militarily superior to everything else?

You could simply enjoy your favourite franchise without comparisons at all.

But if you have to compare franchises, you could base your comparison on

• Storytelling ability
• Continuity
• Subjective "fun" factor
• Moral philosophy and "vision" for the future
• Special Effects
• Popularity
• Profitability
• Acting talent
• Humour
• Penis/breast size
• ...or any one of thousands of other criteria.

Now, most of these have been discussed to death here and elsewhere, as well as the original main topic of military success. And ST is still often found wanting in comparison to SW.

But my real point is, there is so much more to SciFi (and storytelling in general) than just "Who has the biggest guns?", which is the only thing that fanboys fixate on.

Startrek is a primarily exploration based series (apart from DS9). The main fun comes from a ship exploring a wierd and dangerous universe. This does not work well if your ships can blow up planets and surf supernovas without any threat. Starwars is war/battle based sci-fi so it can afford, and indeed benefits, from having more power.

[NecronLord]

• Penis/breast size

As we all know, Palpatine and Tarkin have really miniscule penises. Observe the size of the Death Stars.

[The Grim Squeaker]

THe DS's for some reason struck me as far less overcompensating than the Penis of Palpatine, the eclipse mk2 (The enlargened super super star destroyer with the planet detsroying phalus )

[LaCroix]

Hmmm.... i somehow saw the DS alsways as a replica of one of Leia's titties. Ijust can't figure out if it is lefty or righty.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Excuse me but has ANYONE here seen the Galaxy Gun.

Let me put it this way, from the schematics i've seen its a very long, narrow tube with a large bulb head on the end with a hole. Its also, iirc, about the size of a Super Star Destroyer.

The word 'overcompensation' is a banality.

[Rihannsu Science Officer]

I think the Federation and its allies aren't going to go down easily, but they'll go down in a war eventually. I had a thread a few months ago about how I thought the Federation could defeat the Empire with an alliance with the Romulans, but I was unable to keep up with the other posts. It's why I rarely post here these days, you post something and the next day 30 people have replied and you can't address all their points for sheer volume and you're afraid you'll get accused of ignoring because you forgot one or ten of them and titled a WTPF. I was wondering what % of "WTPF's" were actually trolls and how many just got swamped with more than they could respond to. Suffice it to say it involved some fancy applications of items on the fringes of Fed tech, and throwing everything but the kitchen sink that isn't bolted down at the Empire.

[apocolypse]

I think the Federation and its allies aren't going to go down easily, but they'll go down in a war eventually. I had a thread a few months ago about how I thought the Federation could defeat the Empire with an alliance with the Romulans, but I was unable to keep up with the other posts. It's why I rarely post here these days, you post something and the next day 30 people have replied and you can't address all their points for sheer volume and you're afraid you'll get accused of ignoring because you forgot one or ten of them and titled a WTPF. I was wondering what % of "WTPF's" were actually trolls and how many just got swamped with more than they could respond to. Suffice it to say it involved some fancy applications of items on the fringes of Fed tech, and throwing everything but the kitchen sink that isn't bolted down at the Empire.

So basically in a straight up war between the Federation and the Empire, the Federation doesn't have a chance barring some mystical tech that's never been integrated, or an act of God?

BTW, those title WTPF have had it for a reason.

[Stark]

Ha! You posted that you thought the Fed + Rom could beat the Empire and that makes it so? I'd love to hear how: a child of four could defeat the Fed+Rom with a dozen ISDs.

[tempest]

If I was looking to play alpha quadrant powers in this scenario. I would be looking at pushing (via impulse) large phase-cloaked asteroids into planets (Admitted that phase cloak power consumption levels are a bit sketchy here). Turn off the phase cloak at impact -.001 seconds (or more optimal timing if available). Coordinate timing to handle multiple planets, make sure that the planet involved doesnt have adequate shields to repel said attack.

Sure the alpha quadrant powers aren't gonna win, but never go down with a wimper.

Of course after the spanking at the battle of Endor, the Imperials may have rethought the whole rocks as weapons thing, and planned accordingly.

[Lord Revan]

If I was looking to play alpha quadrant powers in this scenario. I would be looking at pushing (via impulse) large phase-cloaked asteroids into planets (Admitted that phase cloak power consumption levels are a bit sketchy here). Turn off the phase cloak at impact -.001 seconds (or more optimal timing if available). Coordinate timing to handle multiple planets, make sure that the planet involved doesnt have adequate shields to repel said attack.

Sure the alpha quadrant powers aren't gonna win, but never go down with a wimper.

Of course after the spanking at the battle of Endor, the Imperials may have rethought the whole rocks as weapons thing, and planned accordingly.

there's really big problems with that, assuming that the AQ powers get the asteroid even near an imperial planet (that's far from given) you're using what's esentially a weapon of mass destruction on an imperial world, which will give the empire an excuse to use whatt ever they want from their arsenal and rob you of Rebel Allliance's sympathy.

[Gildor]

If I was looking to play alpha quadrant powers in this scenario. I would be looking at pushing (via impulse) large phase-cloaked asteroids into planets (Admitted that phase cloak power consumption levels are a bit sketchy here). Turn off the phase cloak at impact -.001 seconds (or more optimal timing if available). Coordinate timing to handle multiple planets, make sure that the planet involved doesnt have adequate shields to repel said attack.

Sure the alpha quadrant powers aren't gonna win, but never go down with a wimper.

Of course after the spanking at the battle of Endor, the Imperials may have rethought the whole rocks as weapons thing, and planned accordingly.

Wouldn't that serve to only make the Imperials more angry at the AQ powers? It would probably be akin to poking a hornet's nest.

[tempest]

If I was looking to play alpha quadrant powers in this scenario. I would be looking at pushing (via impulse) large phase-cloaked asteroids into planets (Admitted that phase cloak power consumption levels are a bit sketchy here). Turn off the phase cloak at impact -.001 seconds (or more optimal timing if available). Coordinate timing to handle multiple planets, make sure that the planet involved doesnt have adequate shields to repel said attack.

Sure the alpha quadrant powers aren't gonna win, but never go down with a wimper.

Of course after the spanking at the battle of Endor, the Imperials may have rethought the whole rocks as weapons thing, and planned accordingly.

there's really big problems with that, assuming that the AQ powers get the asteroid even near an imperial planet (that's far from given) you're using what's esentially a weapon of mass destruction on an imperial world, which will give the empire an excuse to use whatt ever they want from their arsenal and rob you of Rebel Allliance's sympathy.

my idea was a more of a try to kick a bear in the nutz before you get eaten thing, it's not going to save you, but your not going out as purina sniveling bear chow.

A mission about getting cuddly with rebels/ wookies/ ewoks seemed a bit like cheating. However I am all ears to hear how getting the Rebel Alliances sympathy is going to win this for them. Or how the Imperials will limit their arsenal, do tell.

The Imperials need an excuse to blast AQ powers as much as the LAPD needs an excuse to throw an old black man down a few flights of stairs.

[Lord Revan]

my idea was a more of a try to kick a bear in the nutz before you get eaten thing, it's not going to save you, but your not going out as purina sniveling bear chow.

A mission about getting cuddly with rebels/ wookies/ ewoks seemed a bit like cheating. However I am all ears to hear how getting the Rebel Alliances sympathy is going to win this for them. Or how the Imperials will limit their arsenal, do tell.

The Imperials need an excuse to blast AQ powers as much as the LAPD needs an excuse to throw an old black man down a few flights of stairs.

the thing is that if UFP surrenders either without a fight or without using WMDs the empire will probably leave the system as intact as possible, but the AQ powers will survive (even if they will under the rule of the empire), use WMDs and total population of AQ (or of the major powers) will be less then the current population of Earth.

esentially the cure will be worse then the disease.