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Cold Fusion Mk 2.

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Stop me if you've heard this one: Guy proposes to have a source of cheap, clean, plentiful energy which just happens to go against mainstream science. Well, it's that time again. This guy, however, claims to have independent verification and multiple peer-reviewed papers.

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It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.

Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50 independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use."

Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at Asheville (UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went in with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be nice if this were true, in my position as head of a research institution, I really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to be remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy investment into something that wasn't real."

But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no doubt about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists are looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said Prof Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations on the line as far as that goes."

Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described a world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle was impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect. The theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest achievements.

But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back to earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at the heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics Essays in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in the New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the result of mathematical mistakes.

Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's critique. "His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists contact him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke] won't respond," said Dr Mills.

While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon, those wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like to understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to be able to use the implications to actually produce energy products," said Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are household names."

Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his research but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power rockets.

According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's technology, which will be available in as little as four years, will be a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce electricity.

In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino energy would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares to an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear energy.

"If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important that all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism."

Alternative energy

Cold fusion

More than 16 years after chemists' claims to have created a star in a jar imploded in acrimony, the US government has said it might fund more research. Mainstream physicists still balk at reports that a beaker of cold water and metal electrodes can produce excess heat, but a hardy band of scientists across the world refuse to let the dream die.

Methane hydrates

The US and Japan are leading attempts to tap this source of fossil fuel buried beneath the seabed and Arctic permafrost. A mixture of ice and natural gas, hydrates are believed to contain more carbon than existing reserves of oil, coal and gas put together.

Solar chimneys

Sunlight heats trapped air, which rises through a giant chimney and drives turbines. Leonardo da Vinci designed such a power tower and the Australian company Enviromission plans to build one. Despite being scaled down recently, the concrete chimney will still stand some 700 metres over the outback.

Nuclear fusion

Turns nuclear power on its head by combining atoms rather than splitting them to release energy - copying the reaction at the heart of the sun. After years of arguments the world has agreed to build a test reactor to see whether it works on a commercial scale. Called Iter, it could be switched on within a decade.

Wave generators

No longer a dead duck, the hopes of engineers are riding on bobbing floats again. The British company Trident Energy recently unveiled a design that uses a linear generator to convert the motion of the sea into electricity. A wave farm just a few hundred metres across could power 62,000 homes.
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Well, I'll be damned. This looks fascinating. So he married classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, and somehow dicked around with the wavelength of the electron?
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Typical. You go a decade or so without a single new fusion claim, then two come at once.
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I'm more interested in the solar chimineys and wave generators, because I know they work. And they are cool, because they seem feasible unlike so many other green technologies.

I have heard of these claims before--the new hydrogen--and it is interesting to see he has the balls to claim peer reviewed journals and independent verification (which makes me slightly more hopeful) but I will wait and see. Not that I don't hope he's right mind, I would love to see this pan out (if nothing else poking QM is enough of a reason :twisted: ).
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That's pretty cool. And it's also the reason why I love physics, stuff always gets messed up which just means more challenges. :twisted:
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So... if water is made with hydrinos, will it be polywater?
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Typical. You go a decade or so without a single new fusion claim, then two come at once.
However, this one's over a decade in the making. Dr. Mills' theory has been around for a while; he even published a huge tome on it some ten years ago. Interestingly, there is a very low eigenstate solution to the Klein-Gordon equation for the hydrogen atom below what is considered to be the ground state, but that has almost nothing to do with Dr. Mills' theory, as that postulates a whole slew of lower states. Besides, things like this can seriously mess with stellar fusion, an effect that has not been observed.
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So, as I expected, it is bullshit. I've been looking around at other sites pondering this idea too and the general concensus is that the laws of physics trump Mills' research.
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What exactly about the theory is bullshit? And if it is bullshit, who the fuck has been peer-reviewing Mills' papers?
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wolveraptor wrote:What exactly about the theory is bullshit? And if it is bullshit, who the fuck has been peer-reviewing Mills' papers?
At least an overwhelming majority of Mills' papers in peer-reviewed physics journals have been experimental, not theoretical. Frankly, I have doubts of his claims of truly independent verification--attempts at reproducing his results have had a tendency to fail (this drama is not new, although it is certainly possible that more recent work might vindicate him). As for his proposed theory, those actually willing to wade into the twelve-hundred pages of it or so and critically examine it haven't found the promised hydrino but only mathematical inconsistencies (see, e.g., quant-ph/0505150).
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I'm always wary of the following:
-Whiners who bitch and moan more about the establishment rejecting their ideas than providing evidence
-Specialists attempting to revolutionize something outside of their initial field of training

This guy is setting off warning bells like you wouldn't believe. He's a medical doctor who seems to have taken up physics as a hobby. One of his most recent papers is entitled, "The Fallacy of Feynman's Argument on the Stability of the Hydrogen Atom According to Quantum Mechanics".

Without independent verification of his laboratory results, we have no way of knowing if he's faking the data or what.

So he's got a prototype? Let's see it. Let's see the schematics, the diagrams, everything. Let's build it ourselves and see how it ticks, if it can really do what he says it can. If he's right, he stands to make a tremendous amount of money, to say nothing of his name being etched forever in the history books as the one in a trillion genius that singlehandedly solved the world's energy problems. Or something.

Until then, he's another Jackass from Jersey jonesin' for a joint.

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I don't think we need to worry about this being correct for the same reason we don't need to worry about the creation of black holes in our particle accelerators:

We don't see it throughout the universe.

In the black hole case, for example, the moon and the Earth have been bombarded with particles far more energetic than those in our particle accelerators for the entire history of the universe. If such events could cause the formation of a black hole which would consume the Earth or Moon, it would have already, and we'd be toast.

Similarly, if there were a lower energy eigenstate for Hydrogen, WHY IS'NT ALL HYDROGEN IN THIS STATE?
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