Even Graham Kennedy slams Enterprise.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2002-12-02 06:04am

Perhaps worse than this was the fact that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga would be in charge of the new series. Berman and Braga had taken a lot of bashing from Trek fans during Voyager, much of it centring around the fact that they apparently didn't care all that much about keeping that show in line with established Trek history. Braga was quoted as saying that he had never watched TOS and didn't think continuity was especially important. In the early years of Voyager I tended to ignore such rants, or occasionally even argue against them. Continuity problems are nothing new, I argued; with a show as complex as Trek had become mistakes were inevitable, and it was surprising there were as few as we have seen. Besides, I have always loved trying to explain such things away anyway

So Braga never watched the show that started the franchise that he writes for??

Why am I not surprised?

I mean, it's one thing to have a character contradict something Kirk said offhand in some thirty year old episode of TOS... but this was the continuity equivalent of having Janeway suddenly declare that she worked for the "United Empire of Planets".

Janeway is so stupid that she probably did declare that at one time or another.

This is the contradiction at the very heart of the new series - Berman and Braga have chosen to found a show on a premise which is particularly demanding precisely in those areas which they don't think are important. After all, what on Earth is the point of doing a retro series if you are not going to do it in a retro way? I can't imagine what it was about a prequel that really attracted Berman and Braga in the first place. It was rumoured that Berman was jealous of the "never equalled classic" status that Roddenberry's TOS has in the minds of many fans, and wanted to rewrite Trek history in his own image

If Graham Kennedy can see the problem, why can't the execs at Paramount see what's going on?

This essay isn't the greatest and I disagree with his conclusion that the show will improve, but he does make some valid points.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-02 06:06am

Um...That's a pretty old article, I don't think he's updated his site at all in over a year.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2002-12-02 06:07am

It was new to me.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-02 08:21am

Aya wrote:Um...That's a pretty old article, I don't think he's updated his site at all in over a year.

If over a year means since yesterday...

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-02 08:25am

Bleh, most of the pages I've been to on his site hadn't been updated in over a year.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-02 08:54am

I have to admit, when I heard about the idea of Enterprise I was excited: I thought about how cool it would be to see the Trek universe back when everything was brand new.

Two episodes of Enterprise cured me of that.

Star Trek has always had problems with continuity, but for someone to declare that it's been thrown out the window completely is just appalling to me. I think I'll stick with the old episodes and remember what I *used* to like about it. It's sad, really: like watching a terminally ill friend on his last legs.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-02 08:56am

Glocksman wrote:
If Graham Kennedy can see the problem, why can't the execs at Paramount see what's going on?

It's hard to see when your head is up your ass!!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-12-02 09:24am

Nicely put

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2002-12-02 10:02am

paladin wrote:
Glocksman wrote:
If Graham Kennedy can see the problem, why can't the execs at Paramount see what's going on?
It's hard to see when your head is up your ass!!

Or when you're sucking B&Bs dick.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-02 10:41am

Braga was quoted as saying that he had never watched TOS and didn't think continuity was especially important.

I am so, SO not surprised to see this.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-12-02 11:31am

IG-88E wrote:
Braga was quoted as saying that he had never watched TOS and didn't think continuity was especially important.
I am so, SO not surprised to see this.

It's because he's a "writer" and doesn't like to have his creativity overly constrained by what came before.

At least that's the impression I've gotten on his reasoning to just do things his own way.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-12-02 12:07pm

Tsyroc wrote:
IG-88E wrote:
Braga was quoted as saying that he had never watched TOS and didn't think continuity was especially important.
I am so, SO not surprised to see this.

It's because he's a "writer" and doesn't like to have his creativity overly constrained by what came before.

At least that's the impression I've gotten on his reasoning to just do things his own way.

Braga is a small man with small thoughts, who drained any creativity he had long ago............

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-02 12:21pm

Knife wrote:Braga is a small man with small thoughts, who drained any creativity he had long ago............

You're being quite generous in assuming he had any to begin with.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-12-02 12:24pm

IG-88E wrote:
Knife wrote:Braga is a small man with small thoughts, who drained any creativity he had long ago............
You're being quite generous in assuming he had any to begin with.

I am only suggesting that when he was perhaps 4, he drew a nice picture for his mommy.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-02 12:32pm

Knife wrote:I am only suggesting that when he was perhaps 4, he drew a nice picture for his mommy.

"Nice" being that it was put on the fridge for the mandatory "child's drawing" hour and then taken down? Okay.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-12-02 04:09pm

I have lost all hopes for Star Trek. I am not even downloading the episodes any longer. I really had to force myself to watch the two latest episodes.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-02 04:13pm

Stop putting yourself through such torture.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-02 04:16pm

That would be a good thing Primus...less strain on your poor mind.

And as for B&B having any sort of creativity...I am hard pressed to see any given they recycle their own shit.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-12-02 04:17pm

IG-88E wrote:Stop putting yourself through such torture.

Yes, I don't want my brain to rot till after I'm dead.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-02 06:39pm

paladin wrote:
Glocksman wrote:
If Graham Kennedy can see the problem, why can't the execs at Paramount see what's going on?
It's hard to see when your head is up your ass!!

GK had his head up his ass. But, B&B probably have their heads so far up their asses, the heads are being digested in their stomachs.

They probably lost their brains after watching their own creation. However, that makes no sense, since they needed to lose their brains to create something that bad. I'm confused now...

Mike_6002 · Post by **Mike_6002** » 2002-12-02 06:41pm

If GK head-up-the-ass can realize how bad Boobyprise is any moron can see B&B is a lously bunch of writers I never though I could belive GK can say but good for him!!!!

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2002-12-03 12:50am

never though I could belive GK can say but good for him!!!!

That's pretty much my reaction.

If you want to see Brannon Braga's take on Trek, check out Brannonbraga.com

Question from Christine O'Connor

London, England:

Do you resent the fact that some fans have (wrongly) chosen you as target for their negativity towards Star Trek: Voyager?

Brannon Braga’s Answer:

Do I resent it? No. I am one of the Executive Producers, and I've been one of the head writers on the show for six years. If some fans have a problem with the show, it's only natural for them to blame me. I accept full responsibility. Do I disagree with them most of the time? Yes. The one aspect of their criticism that I do resent is the implication that I have no respect for continuity, the fans, and Star Trek itself. That is an uninformed opinion. I LOVE this show and I've put my heart and soul into it for a full decade. I work especially hard to keep it fun and interesting for the very same viewers who claim I don't care about them or the show.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-03 12:52am

It's kind of amusing... I actually enjoyed the episodes from the first 4 seasons of Voyager better than Enterprise.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-03 12:53am

Glocksman wrote:If you want to see Brannon Braga's take on Trek, check out Brannonbraga.com

They need to hire a better web designer. Whatever moron did their site used Frontpage, all of whose JavaScripts will not work in anything other than Internet Explorer (and even then, they're still screwed up.)

See Bernd Schneider's rant on FrontPage.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-12-03 01:58am

Glocksman wrote:
Question from Christine O'Connor

London, England:

Do you resent the fact that some fans have (wrongly) chosen you as target for their negativity towards Star Trek: Voyager?

Brannon Braga’s Answer:

Do I resent it? No. I am one of the Executive Producers, and I've been one of the head writers on the show for six years. If some fans have a problem with the show, it's only natural for them to blame me. I accept full responsibility. Do I disagree with them most of the time? Yes. The one aspect of their criticism that I do resent is the implication that I have no respect for continuity, the fans, and Star Trek itself. That is an uninformed opinion. I LOVE this show and I've put my heart and soul into it for a full decade. I work especially hard to keep it fun and interesting for the very same viewers who claim I don't care about them or the show.

Well I just hope Boobyprise die fast. But neither of B&B are going to give it the bullet.

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