The Powdered Donut Defense Database!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-06 04:25pm

The return of the PDD!

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/pdd/pdd.html

Working on "Children Of The Jedi" right now...so you won't have to!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-11-06 04:53pm

Always a good bit. And some good stuff from all the canon novels is what I like, even good stuff to use against the rabid yaboos who screech about the odd EU material.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-06 06:08pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Always a good bit. And some good stuff from all the canon novels is what I like, even good stuff to use against the rabid yaboos who screech about the odd EU material.

Right. After I convert all the old pages, I'm going to reread all the canon novelizations. I'm about half finished with ROTJ.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-11-06 07:36pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Always a good bit. And some good stuff from all the canon novels is what I like, even good stuff to use against the rabid yaboos who screech about the odd EU material.
Right. After I convert all the old pages, I'm going to reread all the canon novelizations. I'm about half finished with ROTJ.

The canon is good stuff, and while Stover is ...sparse on some things, he brought up interesting material on the opening battle over Coruscant for RoTS.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-11-06 07:37pm

Don't duplicate stuff that some of us have already done though

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2005-11-06 08:47pm

Well, it's a catchy title, the PDD. However, I don't think I've quite come to grips with it's intended use. Is this a database of raw quotes (plus misc annotations) to use against "yahoos," as GR puts it? Or is this a work in progress and I shouldn't pass judgement on it yet?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-11-06 08:52pm

The Falcon could ram the Avenger's hull and produce negligible damage at best. However, if it aimed for the unshielded forward bridge windows, (Like an A-Wing did in ROTJ) the bridge would be destroyed

Actually, the passage doesn't say that the bridge would be destroyed. It indicates that the bridge would still be intact, merely "littered with corpses."

Maybe I'm being too nitpicky though. . .

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-06 10:53pm

Wyrm wrote:Well, it's a catchy title, the PDD. However, I don't think I've quite come to grips with it's intended use. Is this a database of raw quotes (plus misc annotations) to use against "yahoos," as GR puts it? Or is this a work in progress and I shouldn't pass judgement on it yet?

I think that "Powdered Donut Defense" refers to the fact that you don't have to do any research to come up with sources.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-11-07 01:38am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Wyrm wrote:Well, it's a catchy title, the PDD. However, I don't think I've quite come to grips with it's intended use. Is this a database of raw quotes (plus misc annotations) to use against "yahoos," as GR puts it? Or is this a work in progress and I shouldn't pass judgement on it yet?
I think that "Powdered Donut Defense" refers to the fact that you don't have to do any research to come up with sources.

I think it refers to the fact powdered domust were being eaten at the time when this tactic first showed up on ASVS

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2005-11-07 02:11am

Ender wrote:I think it refers to the fact powdered domust were being eaten at the time when this tactic first showed up on ASVS

Okay, but what is it? What allows me to look at an argument and say, "Ah, he's using the Powdered Donut Defense!"?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-07 02:23am

Ender wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Wyrm wrote:Well, it's a catchy title, the PDD. However, I don't think I've quite come to grips with it's intended use. Is this a database of raw quotes (plus misc annotations) to use against "yahoos," as GR puts it? Or is this a work in progress and I shouldn't pass judgement on it yet?
I think that "Powdered Donut Defense" refers to the fact that you don't have to do any research to come up with sources.
I think it refers to the fact powdered domust were being eaten at the time when this tactic first showed up on ASVS

Yeah, I know, but I think it still kind of reflects the zero-effort approach to the deal: you don't have to do any work because it's all right there in front of you.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-08 05:06am

Vympel wrote:Don't duplicate stuff that some of us have already done though

Hey, if you'd like to contribute your breakdown of a novel to the PDD, feel free!

Wyrm wrote:Well, it's a catchy title, the PDD. However, I don't think I've quite come to grips with it's intended use. Is this a database of raw quotes (plus misc annotations) to use against "yahoos," as GR puts it? Or is this a work in progress and I shouldn't pass judgement on it yet?

I'll be adding more novels as I finish them. The use is simple: When a Trekkie says, "In Darksaber, the Super Star Destroyer BDZ'd Yavin, and just started a couple of fires!" You reply, No, you illiterate fuckwit, here what really happened: - then you use the quotes from the PDD. Its a novel resource with the actual quotes; not paraphrased, half-remembered pieces.

The Original Nex wrote:Actually, the passage doesn't say that the bridge would be destroyed. It indicates that the bridge would still be intact, merely "littered with corpses."

Maybe I'm being too nitpicky though. . .

Picky, picky, picky!

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2005-11-08 06:16am

More nitpicking: How can you say that putting a little air cushion for Han is "Force-wanking" when you didn't complain about using Force Alchemy to build a castle?

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-11-08 03:33pm

Thanks Lord Poe for putting that page online again! You wrote that:

I'll be adding more novels as I finish them.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to encourage people that have read the movie novelizations and/or EU novels and made a similar kind of analysis to contribute to your site (especially as the EU is very vast)?

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-11-08 07:24pm

Lord Poe wrote: Hey, if you'd like to contribute your breakdown of a novel to the PDD, feel free!

Well there's my RotJ novelization contribution on the main site, and the RotS contribution is here. In terms of RotS I probably missed some stuff though.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-11-08 08:29pm

and wayme you fucking rock dude. keep being awesome

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-11-09 02:25am

As always, its great to see more of the webpage back up.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-09 04:28am

Just added Darth Maul:Shadowhunter, Labyrinth Of Evil, Children Of The Jedi, The Crystal Star, and Darksaber. I'm currently working on two companion arguments to go with Darksaber.

Mange the Swede wrote:Wouldn't it be a good idea to encourage people that have read the movie novelizations and/or EU novels and made a similar kind of analysis to contribute to your site (especially as the EU is very vast)?

Absolutely. Anyone who has done a PDD-like novel summary are encouraged to contribute!

Vympel wrote:Well there's my RotJ novelization contribution on the main site, and the RotS contribution is here. In terms of RotS I probably missed some stuff though.

Ah, ok. I'm going to do my own PDDs for the canon stuff, but and Expanded Universe PDDS (except for the Han Solo books and X-Wing series) would be welcome. ESPECIALLY New Jedi Order!

Ender wrote:and wayme you fucking rock dude. keep being awesome

Thanks, man!

Darth Servo wrote:As always, its great to see more of the webpage back up.

Thanks. I'm slogging through the easy stuff right now as time allows.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2005-11-09 09:38am

Will you be doing the DK books too, or just novels?

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2005-11-09 12:32pm

Great stuff, as usual. Not just for vs. debates, it gives good insight.

The New Essential Chronology wrote:The Star Wars universe is a living thing. For almost 30 years, it has continued to grow and evolve, with new chapters constantly being added by writers, artists, game designers and other talented creators. While the six films form the most visible and important part of the Star Wars universe, the story is much bigger than six movies could ever contain.

Is this useful?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-11-09 06:08pm

I was planning on going through a few of the NJO books soon (not in order from the beginning mind you, just a few of my faves), I could make some notes as I go through and send em when I'm done if you want.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2005-11-10 01:53am

You're right Lord Poe - how did the twins get kidnapped in the first place?

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-11-10 06:29am

Ford Prefect wrote:You're right Lord Poe - how did the twins get kidnapped in the first place?

In Crystal star they were kidnapped while they were asleep (Presumably by the force using Hethrehir) while on a planet with Leia.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2005-11-10 08:57pm

Darksaber Analysis of Page 292 wrote:The forests were already burning before Daala arrived, thanks to the TIE fighters. However, even targeting structures from orbit, as per Daala's orders, the surrounding fauna around those structutres would of course be set aflame as well.

Not to be too terribly nitpicky, but I think you meant flora. While the animals probably would be set afire also, you've focused on plants up to this point

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Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-11-11 05:03am

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:More nitpicking: How can you say that putting a little air cushion for Han is "Force-wanking" when you didn't complain about using Force Alchemy to build a castle?

Because the Force butt-cushion was the most blatant Force wanking of all. If Luke wanted to make a castle with the Force, fine. But FFS, the butt cushion was the straw that broke the camel's back.

XaLEv wrote:Will you be doing the DK books too, or just novels?

Cmndr. Wilkens did one for AOTC:ICS

The Original Nex wrote:I was planning on going through a few of the NJO books soon (not in order from the beginning mind you, just a few of my faves), I could make some notes as I go through and send em when I'm done if you want.

Sure!

The Dark wrote:Not to be too terribly nitpicky, but I think you meant flora. While the animals probably would be set afire also, you've focused on plants up to this point .

GAA!! That's the last time I drink decaf when writing web pages!

Actually, I think "vegetation" fits a bit better; KJA alternates between calling Yavin 4's foliage a "forest" and "jungle"!

BTW, I added The Darksaber BDZ Argument to the PDD.