[ali-sama] Marvel Juggernaut vs Sidious and Dooku

[Noble Ire]

sorry. but your a fucktard. why? cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh. the debate is over for me. you lost. good day.

Generally, when someone steps out of a debate like this, their admitting defeat. You can't just throw out some weird, half-formed deus ex machina and declare victory.

[Lord Pounder]

sorry. but your a fucktard. why? cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh. the debate is over for me. you lost. good day.

Translation: I'm right your wrong, because I say so. Now i'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and hum ode to joy.

So this god who controls the Universe and all his energies, show me where he was mentioned in the OP, he wasn't. Describe how he will defeat Palpatine and Dooku. Failure to provide this will result in a violation of the below quoted rule

If you are asked for evidence to support a claim you've made, you should either produce this evidence or concede the point until such time as you can produce this evidence. People who consistently ignore requests for evidence to support their claims (particularly contentious claims) are not looked upon kindly here.

Put up or shut up fuckass.

[Surlethe]

cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh.

Screencaps? Comic book scans? He controls a universe? How do you know he is a god? How do you know he'll help Juggernaut? Why didn't he help Juggernaut get out of the wet cement?

Let's see some evidence.

[Grasscutter]

sorry. but your a fucktard. why? cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh. the debate is over for me. you lost. good day.

Translation: I'm right your wrong, because I say so. Now i'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and hum ode to joy.

So this god who controls the Universe and all his energies, show me where he was mentioned in the OP, he wasn't. Describe how he will defeat Palpatine and Dooku. Failure to provide this will result in a violation of the below quoted rule

If you are asked for evidence to support a claim you've made, you should either produce this evidence or concede the point until such time as you can produce this evidence. People who consistently ignore requests for evidence to support their claims (particularly contentious claims) are not looked upon kindly here.

Put up or shut up fuckass.

Hell, prove Cyttorak will help Juggernaut in the first place. It's reasonable to say that Palpatine and Dooku can call on shuttles and crap because they can count shuttles, servants, and wealth as part of their readily available personal resources. The help coming when ordered is pretty much a guarantee because Palpatine and Dooku are the bosses.

On the other hand, Juggernaut is not Cyttorak's boss. And according to this listing of Cyttorak apperances Cyttorak's as likely to try and possess Juggernaut as he is help him.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Ok there has been one occassion of C. directly interveining in the life of his sole servant in this reality. That was when everyone in the marvel universe fought the Hulk. C. teleported the Juggernaught out of the battle. Later when Strange banished the Hulk to the crossroads between realityies, the hulk became so much of a nuisence that C. and Agmatto teamed up to get him back to our reality.

[ali-sama]

sorry. but your a fucktard. why? cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh. the debate is over for me. you lost. good day.

Translation: I'm right your wrong, because I say so. Now i'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and hum ode to joy.

So this god who controls the Universe and all his energies, show me where he was mentioned in the OP, he wasn't. Describe how he will defeat Palpatine and Dooku. Failure to provide this will result in a violation of the below quoted rule

If you are asked for evidence to support a claim you've made, you should either produce this evidence or concede the point until such time as you can produce this evidence. People who consistently ignore requests for evidence to support their claims (particularly contentious claims) are not looked upon kindly here.

Put up or shut up fuckass.

Hell, prove Cyttorak will help Juggernaut in the first place. It's reasonable to say that Palpatine and Dooku can call on shuttles and crap because they can count shuttles, servants, and wealth as part of their readily available personal resources. The help coming when ordered is pretty much a guarantee because Palpatine and Dooku are the bosses.

On the other hand, Juggernaut is not Cyttorak's boss. And according to this listing of Cyttorak apperances Cyttorak's as likely to try and possess Juggernaut as he is help him.

Two of these exemplars, Bedlam and Conquest, arrived to aid the Juggernaut in his battle against Thor. They teleported the Juggernaut away.

[ali-sama]

sorry. but your a fucktard. why? cause he is a god whocontrols a universe and all it's energies. which he syphones to juggernaugh. the debate is over for me. you lost. good day.

Translation: I'm right your wrong, because I say so. Now i'm gonna stick my fingers in my ears and hum ode to joy.

So this god who controls the Universe and all his energies, show me where he was mentioned in the OP, he wasn't. Describe how he will defeat Palpatine and Dooku. Failure to provide this will result in a violation of the below quoted rule

If you are asked for evidence to support a claim you've made, you should either produce this evidence or concede the point until such time as you can produce this evidence. People who consistently ignore requests for evidence to support their claims (particularly contentious claims) are not looked upon kindly here.

Put up or shut up fuckass.

Hell, prove Cyttorak will help Juggernaut in the first place. It's reasonable to say that Palpatine and Dooku can call on shuttles and crap because they can count shuttles, servants, and wealth as part of their readily available personal resources. The help coming when ordered is pretty much a guarantee because Palpatine and Dooku are the bosses.

On the other hand, Juggernaut is not Cyttorak's boss. And according to this listing of Cyttorak apperances Cyttorak's as likely to try and possess Juggernaut as he is help him.

he will help him indirectly and has. your correct. jug is a hero atm.
so who can he send to help him?
His minions andjug;s allies.
fantatic 4
dr strange
thanos
silver surfer
profesor x
magneto
hulk
thor
avengers
x-men.
the shiar
pheonix

sw galaxy is screwed analy

[Grasscutter]

Two of these exemplars, Bedlam and Conquest, arrived to aid the Juggernaut in his battle against Thor. They teleported the Juggernaut away.

First, your original statement was that Cyttorak would aid Juggernaut, not the other Exemplars. Second, is this a common occurance or a one time deal? How often to the Exemplars aid each other?

His minions andjug;s allies.
fantatic 4
dr strange
thanos
silver surfer
profesor x
magneto
hulk
thor
avengers
x-men.
the shiar
pheonix

Just...just...wow. Alright, first off, none of these groups and individuals are Juggernaut's minions and only the X-Men and Magneto have really been affiliated with him. Second, if we're going by the current state of the Marvel Universe Phoenix, Thor, and Prof. X are dead, and Magneto is powerless. Thanos and The Shi'ar rarely if ever intervene in anything that isn't a direct threat to them, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt and for this hypothetical situation will come to Juggernaut's aid if asked.

How will they know to come? When has Juggernaut ever shown the ability to communicate across dimensions? I'd buy that Dr. Strange could do it, but they don't monitor Juggernaut 24/7.

Further, prove that these people will make a whit of difference in the fight. I'm not saying that they won't, but you have to back up your assertion that the "sw galaxy is screwed analy" with evidence.

[Surlethe]

sw galaxy is screwed analy

Do you have any evidence any of these people can withstand a superlaser blast?

[Darth Wong]

Ali-sama, your fucktard wanking is really starting to get on my nerves. You have 24 hours to produce evidence that all of those groups are guaranteed to rush to the aid of Juggernaut if he gets into a fight anywhere with anyone. And by evidence, I mean EVIDENCE, ie- specific citations, not just "because I say so."

As for the "walking despite TK" thing, I'd like to see the screenshots of that too, because you could levitate a very heavy, hence high-momentum object and it would still continue moving toward you. So I don't see why I should necessarily assume that he has the ability to move in any direction he wants while levitated.

[The Yosemite Bear]

well this debate has gone on long enough. It looks like mikes about to purge one of the nicest people I know in real life, and this is rediculus. I pointed out that yes Juggernaught can be teleported against his will by Cytorax, so the dump into a black hole or other trick won't work. I pointed out the fact that he can't swim is because he WEIGHS TOO FUCKING MUCH!!! (you know mass over volume, he sinks like the proverbial stone), since he doesn't need to breathe it's simply a matter of his waiting.

I have pointed out his vulnerabilities, and his shields. and basically said from my first post this is pointless.

fuck everyone.

[The Yosemite Bear]

As for the walking on TK...

Constuction Yard fight between Pheonix (Rachel Summers), supported by the Xmen, vs. Juggernaught vs. Nimrod the Uberwank sentinal

here we go.

Nimrod interupts a fight between The X-men and Juggy. despite pheonix dropping an entire BUILDING on both Nimrod and Juggy (which severely damaged Nimrod, requiring him to regrow a whole arm, and repair severe damage to his body.) Juggernaught came out unsceathered, and pushed away the debris of what was left of the building. Rachel using her "pheonix aura" and very paniced tried to push juggernaught away Telekentically, he kept advancing. Nimrod pulls himself out of the rubble and takes out Juggernaught with ultrasonic stun energy of an unknown amount (pointing out that since juggernaught could hear despite having an invulnerable force field he would be vulnerable ot sonics.) RAchel then gets all glowy pheonixy and Nimrod ports away to avoid fighting the mutant he was hunting, because he was too damaged.

[Ghost Rider]

As for the walking on TK...

Constuction Yard fight between Pheonix (Rachel Summers), supported by the Xmen, vs. Juggernaught vs. Nimrod the Uberwank sentinal

here we go.

Nimrod interupts a fight between The X-men and Juggy. despite pheonix dropping an entire BUILDING on both Nimrod and Juggy (which severely damaged Nimrod, requiring him to regrow a whole arm, and repair severe damage to his body.) Juggernaught came out unsceathered, and pushed away the debris of what was left of the building. Rachel using her "pheonix aura" and very paniced tried to push juggernaught away Telekentically, he kept advancing. Nimrod pulls himself out of the rubble and takes out Juggernaught with ultrasonic stun energy of an unknown amount (pointing out that since juggernaught could hear despite having an invulnerable force field he would be vulnerable ot sonics.) RAchel then gets all glowy pheonixy and Nimrod ports away to avoid fighting the mutant he was hunting, because he was too damaged.

Mike did ask because Enigma brought up events similar to this....are they fundamentally similar?

So without much of an answer it's at odds to use it as a particular.

As for the whole event. For ali, just bow out...no witty pointless quips like you did with me, just accept this is not a particular fight you are winning.

This whole thing became a clusterfuck and really should've died many pages back. Let it die and end this pointless post building.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Finally mike I figured technically you would apprecaite Juggy the most. He's an insane overwanked character that the only way he ever get's beaten is by people using their brains. Mostly the X-men know not to fucking mess with him. Hell one time wolverine recognized him at a bar, let collousus pick a fight with him, and did nothing besides after the fight was over, ask Juggy for the money to help replace the bar. (which juggy handed over nicely) every time he's been beaten it's a result of the same sneaky trickery. (I'm supprised you didn't even mention the female judo instructor dodging and throwing him out a wall.) Yes he's that dumb. yes there is little if anything that can hurt him, but that's not the problem.

Also as far as cartoon canon is concerned Spiderman is not exactly the best character to measure someone against. Peter parker should have died a LONG time ago, and can even beat down Heralds of Galactus who by all laws of reason should fry him like an insect. (yes that's right a herald of Galactus who has a body made of living rock or living plasma can be BEATEN into unconciousness by Spiderman???!!!???, who didn't give himself burns or shatter bones in the process)

If you want to know what Kane Marko could do with his powers if he had intellegence, look at what Dr. Strange does with them, or what Stevie does with them. Teleporting, making stellar converters, stopping fry you like an insect blasts from Mephisto or Dururammu, BINDING DURRAMMU)

[The Yosemite Bear]

Well Enigma brought up the Walking on Air against TK, which was allegedly from a recent X-men where he beat the Diamond strong, super-psi white queen. Whose know banging cyclops because they killed Jean Grey again.....


I stopped reading X-men about ten years ago, when It really got bad, and am now an independant (Darkhorse, Phantagraphics, etc. Whore) Mind you I still like DC's Batman, even though he's overwanked.)

[Darth Wong]

well this debate has gone on long enough. It looks like mikes about to purge one of the nicest people I know in real life, and this is rediculus.

Hardly. He pulled out the "entire pantheon will join together to win this thread" asshole tactic, and that is the classic sign of a troll. I don't give a flying fuck whether you think he's a nice guy in real life, because he's acting like a sophistic bullshitting asshole in this thread. And the clock is STILL TICKING.

I pointed out that yes Juggernaught can be teleported against his will by Cytorax, so the dump into a black hole or other trick won't work.

This is like saying that you can never defeat an ISD because the Empire can always build another one. We know that in Marvel Comics, there's always an excuse for people to come back from any fate, even death itself. But what the fuck does it take to declare that somebody lost a fight?

[Darth Wong]

Finally mike I figured technically you would apprecaite Juggy the most. He's an insane overwanked character that the only way he ever get's beaten is by people using their brains.

Sure, using techniques that I keep hearing in this thread won't work for some reason which is never explained. The first time he was beaten, I recall somebody just ripped his helmet off and then used psi-powers on him. And yet, in this thread, I hear that this would never work. Then I saw him being defeated by nothing more than wet cement, and the fact is that if he was as unstoppable as claimed, then he would have kept moving forward through the goddamned wet cement because its resistance is finite. But once again, I heard that this is not true, and that his ability to move forward is unstoppable by any force in existence.

The wanking isn't just Juggernaut's writing; it's the fan-whores in this thread. Even methods that have successfully defeated him in the past are supposedly useless against him; this is a clear sign of fan-whore wanking. And the definition of "defeat" is continuously modified so that even the times he was beaten in the comic don't count, because he's still around! So according to the fan-whores in this thread, Juggernaut has never been defeated, and all of the methods that were used to beat him in the past are actually useless against him. And you don't see how this qualifies as fan-whore wanking?

[The Yosemite Bear]

I was the FIRST to say he's a total BITCH to any Psi-power, that's why he uses the anti-magical armour. now if he had brains he would push his force fields out so that he could support himself, or protect his armour from physical attacks (Dr. Stange and that kid named Stevie can tap into the same energy source and do a lot more then that idiot Cain Marko) The power of Cytorax well is pretty far out there and unqualifable.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Actually I pointed out that Spiderman and X-Force are like Kevin J. Anderson examples for Power Calcs for Starwars.

[ali-sama]

I want to appologize for my use of sarcasm to make fun of an obvios troll. I should have just not replied and let him live in his ignorance.
I am sorry mr wong. I shoudl , in the future, put a tag for sarcastic posts.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

You know, when you apologise, it's generally a good idea to not be an asshole about it...

[Darth Wong]

I want to appologize for my use of sarcasm to make fun of an obvios troll. I should have just not replied and let him live in his ignorance.
I am sorry mr wong. I shoudl , in the future, put a tag for sarcastic posts.

Which troll were you making fun of, asshole? Yourself? How is that last post any different from all of your previous fan-whore posts? And why is it that when challenged, trolls always act more trollish? Do they want to get banned? It's not as if I will hesitate, and you would think people would be quick enough to pick up on that after three fucking years.

[Stark]

Waiiit a second. Mike repeats the same arguments I've been posting for DAYS and everyone takes notice? Like the problems with the whoring weren't obvious before! I must have an 'ignore my points' sign on my head.

Bear, it's unfortunate that ali-sama is being such a moron, because between you and Enigma I think a lot of progress was made. You provided a lot of information when it was needed - it's very hard to keep that going, however, when all ali-sama does is cry that it 'wouldn't work' or ignore all points or contradict himself etc.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Well basically we're talking about an overgrown bully given ungodly amounts of power, but hasn't the faintest idea what to do with it.

[Darth Wong]

Waiiit a second. Mike repeats the same arguments I've been posting for DAYS and everyone takes notice? Like the problems with the whoring weren't obvious before! I must have an 'ignore my points' sign on my head.

I didn't ignore your points. I simply decided that it was time to make ali-sama answer them instead of squirming around like an evasive little shit.

YB: the fact that others in this thread are being more reasonable doesn't change the fact that ali-sama is being a troll.