[ali-sama] Marvel Juggernaut vs Sidious and Dooku

[The Yosemite Bear]

mind you if it was Dr. Strange with the Jewel it would be an entirely diferent outcome. As Strange knows how to tap C.'s energy to:

Fly
make forcefields that stop energyblasts that can harm things like Silver Surfer
Focus/increase the energy of any of his spells
bind a target (using that target's own energy to strengthen the bonds)
etc.

if the owner knew how to use the damn thing he would be a ruby red version of a green lantern.

[ali-sama]

[ali-sama]

Waiiit a second. Mike repeats the same arguments I've been posting for DAYS and everyone takes notice? Like the problems with the whoring weren't obvious before! I must have an 'ignore my points' sign on my head.

I didn't ignore your points. I simply decided that it was time to make ali-sama answer them instead of squirming around like an evasive little shit.

YB: the fact that others in this thread are being more reasonable doesn't change the fact that ali-sama is being a troll.

hmm. ok. what do you consider proof?
if comic pages is proof to you then here are the posts from the thread that might intrest you.
In these posts it shows thor(thunder god) attack both the entitiy known as galactus and juggernaght with the same attacks.

here isthe fight with the juggernaughgt


http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 48#1842848

jhere is the fight with galacutus
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 05#1842405



Galactus ran like a pussy why the juggernaught was pushing the attack back.
this means galactus is unable to take that magnetute of attack yet juggernaugt is. why is this important. this post will shed light to it.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 35#1841935
i put page 7 which is right before it showes the inside of the ship and the explosion. YOu can see the result of the debree field.


now. what other evidence do you require. I already psoted these. will post the relationships with juggernaught and varios super heros once i have the info downloaded. i'll evne get the issue where he walks while under tk. have to find out which.
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[Darth Wong]

You fucking asshole, this shit was already answered earlier in the thread. Thor's "God blast" didn't even knock down nearby ordinary man-made buildings, fucktard. And Galactus' strength varies wildly; if he is sufficiently starved, he can die even without anyone even touching him for fuck's sake.

A) You have not answered my challenge at all, and posted "evidence" that had nothing to do with my demand.

B) You ignore rebuttals, and then later, re-post the refuted points. No attempt to address the rebuttals or explain the questions raised, and in fact, no acknowledgment that the rebuttals exist at all.

This is textbook troll behaviour, fucktard. You are rapidly running out of time.

[ali-sama]

will you stop calling me a fan whore.
A person who is involved in the production of the matieral is not a fanwhore.
I have worked on x-men and other comics.... Incluing doign assists on a apge of tales of the jedi.
I am a pro. NOt a fucking fan.

[ali-sama]

do a searc for my name
Ali tavakoly
you will see me credited in image ocmics and heman. the others wehre subcontracted. But you can contact avalon studios to confirm it.

[Darth Wong]

What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you are acting like a fan-whore, dipshit? You post "evidence" that does not actually prove your case at all, you ignore rebuttals as if they did not even exist, and when challenged to explain yourself, you simply do it again!

What the fuck kind of behaviour is this, if not fan-whoring?

[ali-sama]

What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you are acting like a fan-whore, dipshit? You post "evidence" that does not actually prove your case at all, you ignore rebuttals as if they did not even exist, and when challenged to explain yourself, you simply do it again!

What the fuck kind of behaviour is this, if not fan-whoring?

ok. which rebuttles?
let us look at them.
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... /index.htm

nature, which enhances his strength and grants him an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury. Once he begins moving in a certain direction, no force on Earth can stop him -- only slow his pace. Sustained by the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak, Cain Marko can survive indefinitely without food, water or oxygen. However, Juggernaut is vulnerable to magical forces of sufficient strength. Without his helmet, constructed of an unknown mystical metal, he is susceptible to psionic attack.

as far as i know. Thor did, rogue, and the hulk. if anyone knows of others please tell me.

rogue can lift 50 tons
hulk can lift 100 tons so can thor
their stats can be found here http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels.htm

What does that have to do with *ANYTHING*? Galactus getting pwnzored by nukes is lovely and all, but it's IRRELEVANT since the fucking RPG is a USELESS SOURCE. That list of events is USELESS without a similar list of things that DO hurt 'ole Juggy. When you totally ignore this point, I hope your WoI is exposed for all to see. If you're going to ignore all points, just shut the fuck up.
_________

i posted comic info and also showed that his resistance to damamge above that.
the attack was a focused energy attack which was absorbed by jug shield. it vaped still managed to vape the concrete below him


are any more direct rebuttles? I'll be happy to reply. tell me if I missed any.

[The Yosemite Bear]

What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you are acting like a fan-whore, dipshit? You post "evidence" that does not actually prove your case at all, you ignore rebuttals as if they did not even exist, and when challenged to explain yourself, you simply do it again!

What the fuck kind of behaviour is this, if not fan-whoring?

Mike that's not from the RPG that's from the house canon guide from 2004. I know they incorperate the RPG style and their canon guide works closely with the RPG company, but that's actually from Marvel's canon guide. Which I think I said before like most of comics is widly inconsistant. I didn't know they had made Cain a hero, it still doesn't change the fact that he's an idiot, and someone who when given the power of the avatar of Cytorax did fuck all with it, wilst Dr. Strange and even Duramu's (nice/daughter) Cleo have done a shitload more with the same power source (tapping C.'s power through demensional entraties, instead of drawing it mainline from the gem. That even a little kid named stevie was able to turn the lesser jewel into a weapon capable of focussing sunlight into a blast capable of harming juggernaught or the hulk. Or that Black Tom when enhanced by C's power was able to combine his mustant power with the Crimson blasts of Cytorax)

I didn't know that whilst I had been staying the fuck away from X-men due to the insult to my intellegence, they had gone and made Juggy a member....

[ali-sama]

What the fuck does this have to do with the fact that you are acting like a fan-whore, dipshit? You post "evidence" that does not actually prove your case at all, you ignore rebuttals as if they did not even exist, and when challenged to explain yourself, you simply do it again!

What the fuck kind of behaviour is this, if not fan-whoring?

this made me think. fanwhoring.

when have the jedi used mind manipulation during a battle against non jedi or even jedi.
The only powers shown inside a battle have been, tk, enhanced agility etc, force lightning.

When we get peopel saying, sith with the aid of the force, will emmidietly tell what his weaknesss is, then using tk to remove hi shelment, attack him mentally. what can you call that.

Never once has juggernauts helmet been removed by tk. Brute froce only. Otherwise jean grey coudl eaisly do it.

a fan whore woudl care if juggernaut wins or looses. I coudl give a shit.

lets say they manage to ligth saber his helmet off. They woudl still need to get past his skull cap.
lets say they do thsi too.
How do we know they can mind fuck him.
the list of peopel who mind fucked him are short and finite.

jean grey, professor x, nate grey, ema frost, racher sumers

I have yet to see a jedi show the tk or psy ability of thoes people.
If you can bring up a case of them matching in ability to them. Then yes. they can beat juggernaught.



there area a few chracters in marvel which should never be brought in
a vs battle with sith or any sw force in general.

Professor X -
Jean Grey - marvel girl - pheonix
Madoline prior - cloone of jean grey
rachel grey - daughter of jean - pehonix 2
Nathen grey- cable
Magneto
scarlet witch- wanda
thor
invisible woman
hercules
thanos
galactus
nova
juggernaught
emma frost
pshylock
gladiator


these chracters are good batles

spiderman
daredevil
ironman
hulk
kitty pride
wolverine
night crawler
colossus
quicksilver
she hulk

[The Yosemite Bear]

ACtually Rachel Summers/Grey did remove his primary helmet with TK, once!

of course I have already cited that battle twice.

170-200 era of X-men, of course she was kinda glowy and surrounded by a great big bird aura whe she DID peal his primary helmet off.

[ali-sama]

ACtually Rachel Summers/Grey did remove his primary helmet with TK, once!

of course I have already cited that battle twice.

170-200 era of X-men, of course she was kinda glowy and surrounded by a great big bird aura whe she DID peal his primary helmet off.

nope. nimrod usign sonic waves did that.
and phoenix is well, overkill, for anything. PErosn who can cause suns to go nova and then absorbe all the energy in an instant with a psy attack is a bit much no?

[The Yosemite Bear]

I thought nimrod with sonics came AFTER the helmet was off....

I recall the issue (bear in mind this was over 15 years ago), was Construction yard, building down the block schedualed for demolition, Nimrod vs. Juggy vs. X-men, where the helmet got removed early on (the rivets were weakened by cyclops, then Rachel attacked the rivets, dropped the whole building schedualed for demolition on a helmetless juggy who was fighting Nimrod. juggy steps out of the building unhurt, Nimrod climbs out missing and arm and suffering heavy damage to the body and head. knocks out juggy with sonics, gets hit by a Pheonix aura which really hurts him and he teleports away just as juggy and the rest of the x-men recover from nimrod's attacks.

[ali-sama]

I thought nimrod with sonics came AFTER the helmet was off....

I recall the issue (bear in mind this was over 15 years ago), was Construction yard, building down the block schedualed for demolition, Nimrod vs. Juggy vs. X-men, where the helmet got removed early on (the rivets were weakened by cyclops, then Rachel attacked the rivets, dropped the whole building schedualed for demolition on a helmetless juggy who was fighting Nimrod. juggy steps out of the building unhurt, Nimrod climbs out missing and arm and suffering heavy damage to the body and head. knocks out juggy with sonics, gets hit by a Pheonix aura which really hurts him and he teleports away just as juggy and the rest of the x-men recover from nimrod's attacks.

Uncanny X-Men #194- Cain walks down the street in plain clothes and watches several police cars race down the street. Cain asks a cop what all the fuss is about. The cop says that the Juggernaut is back in town. Cain watches as news reporters talk about him. Later Juggernaut sits in the First United National Bank of New York waiting his turn. The X-Men sit back watching and hoping that Juggernaut doesn’t do anything to force their hand. Suddenly Nimrod appears in the bank and says that there is a criminal here. Nimrod blasts Juggernaut, but also sees Kitty Pride and Rachael Summers. They help out the other customers while Juggernaut puts his helmet on. Cain says that Nimrod ruined his new clothes and his day. Nimrod blasts Juggernaut right out of the building. Cain says that is the hardest he has ever been hit. He lands at a construction site. Juggernaut grabs an I-beam to hit Nimrod with, but Nimrod vaporizes it. Nimrod then drops 1.37 kilotons on Juggernaut, but Juggernaut smashes his way out. Nimrod smacks off Juggernaut’s helmet. Nimrod uses tight-beam ultra-high frequency sonics to knock Juggernaut out. The X-Men try to help. Rogue winds up absorbing a number of powers to fight Nimrod. She causes him to teleport away. Juggernaut gets up and asks Rogue if the X-Men wanna pick up where Nimrod left off. She says that they aren’t the police, and they know that it wasn’t his fault. Juggernaut leaves without saying thanks.

[Ghost Rider]

You are fanwhoring on the very basis that you aren't providing objective proof WHY JUGGERNAUT WILL DEFY THE FORCES BROUGHT BEAR UPON HIM.

-Not class 3000 shit.

-Not he's immune to Telekinesis.

-Not he's surrounded by some uber forcefield that sharpened claws can penetrate.

-You are providing not but rhetoric and hyperbole.

So you ignored my advice time and again of providing OBJECTIVE proof.

And for the record, Mike is not bluffing. He gave you 24 hours to either concede your actions OR provide objective proof.

[ali-sama]

You are fanwhoring on the very basis that you aren't providing objective proof WHY JUGGERNAUT WILL WIN.

-Not class 3000 shit.

-Not he's immune to Telekinesis

-Not he's surrounded by some uber forcefield that sharpened claws can penetrate.

-You are providing not but rhetoric and hyperbole.

So you ignored my advice time and again of providing OBJECTIVE proof.

huh?
class 3000 what? rpg stats? not useing thoes.

immune to tk? did I even mention tk? I mentioend his fight with thor.
your confusing other people's posts with mine.

last sentence makes no sence.
define objective proof.

[ali-sama]

You are fanwhoring on the very basis that you aren't providing objective proof WHY JUGGERNAUT WILL DEFY THE FORCES BROUGHT BEAR UPON HIM.

-Not class 3000 shit.

-Not he's immune to Telekinesis.

-Not he's surrounded by some uber forcefield that sharpened claws can penetrate.

-You are providing not but rhetoric and hyperbole.

So you ignored my advice time and again of providing OBJECTIVE proof.

And for the record, Mike is not bluffing. He gave you 24 hours to either concede your actions OR provide objective proof.

i cannot fan whore by definition.
Your however fanwhoring sith's abilites and republic's support for the sith.
I am only stating what happend in the comics. and based on that. HE cannot be beat by the sith nor the jedi. We know what it takes to defeat the juggernaught. You have to proove that the sith can do that.

[Ghost Rider]

You are fanwhoring on the very basis that you aren't providing objective proof WHY JUGGERNAUT WILL DEFY THE FORCES BROUGHT BEAR UPON HIM.

-Not class 3000 shit.

-Not he's immune to Telekinesis.

-Not he's surrounded by some uber forcefield that sharpened claws can penetrate.

-You are providing not but rhetoric and hyperbole.

So you ignored my advice time and again of providing OBJECTIVE proof.

And for the record, Mike is not bluffing. He gave you 24 hours to either concede your actions OR provide objective proof.

i cannot fan whore by definition.
Your however fanwhoring sith's abilites and republic's support for the sith.
I am only stating what happend in the comics. and based on that. HE cannot be beat by the sith nor the jedi. We know what it takes to defeat the juggernaught. You have to proove that the sith can do that.

You haven't even shown WHAT Juggernaut can do in terms of OBJECTIVE PROOF.

You have shown math that was taken from a source that is highly questionable and thrown random events that the Juggernaut did without a single fucking point behind what it MEANS.

This is the same as when some idiot blurts out the ISD can vaporize and asteroid. If you do not explain the significane behind this, you are a fanwhore who's relying upon style to pass off substance. How was it vaporized, what time frame, how many shots. These are just the basics of the game of debating, NOT "Juggernaut demonstrated this." And?! He can withstand this unknown quantity of force placed upon his body for this unknown amount of time. That right there is the pinnacle of fanwhoring, because it gives some immensely flashy piece of rhetoric without telling your opponent what it represents in a specfic time frame.

What you did and have done in most of these debates is throw RANDOM facts that have no meaning. THAT is why he is claiming you are fanwhoring. Literally you are just throwing events onto the wall to see if any of it sticks and then debating from there. YOU have to PROVE these events beyond "And in issue #176 Juggernaut took a nuclear bomb."

And like Mike has said before the clock is ticking. Whether in your mind you're just simply upholding Marvel truth or fanwhoring is irrelevant. What is wanted is proof of showing applicable reasoning behind all of his feats you spouted.

That is all the advice I care to give.

[ali-sama]

You are fanwhoring on the very basis that you aren't providing objective proof WHY JUGGERNAUT WILL DEFY THE FORCES BROUGHT BEAR UPON HIM.

-Not class 3000 shit.

-Not he's immune to Telekinesis.

-Not he's surrounded by some uber forcefield that sharpened claws can penetrate.

-You are providing not but rhetoric and hyperbole.

So you ignored my advice time and again of providing OBJECTIVE proof.

And for the record, Mike is not bluffing. He gave you 24 hours to either concede your actions OR provide objective proof.

i cannot fan whore by definition.
Your however fanwhoring sith's abilites and republic's support for the sith.
I am only stating what happend in the comics. and based on that. HE cannot be beat by the sith nor the jedi. We know what it takes to defeat the juggernaught. You have to proove that the sith can do that.

You haven't even shown WHAT Juggernaut can do in terms of OBJECTIVE PROOF.

You have shown math that was taken from a source that is highly questionable and thrown random events that the Juggernaut did without a single fucking point behind what it MEANS.

This is the same as when some idiot blurts out the ISD can vaporize and asteroid. If you do not explain the significane behind this, you are a fanwhore who's relying upon style to pass off substance. How was it vaporized, what time frame, how many shots. These are just the basics of the game of debating, NOT "Juggernaut demonstrated this." And?! He can withstand this unknown quantity of force placed upon his body for this unknown amount of time. That right there is the pinnacle of fanwhoring, because it gives some immensely flashy piece of rhetoric without telling your opponent what it represents in a specfic time frame.

What you did and have done in most of these debates is throw RANDOM facts that have no meaning. THAT is why he is claiming you are fanwhoring. Literally you are just throwing events onto the wall to see if any of it sticks and then debating from there. YOU have to PROVE these events beyond "And in issue #176 Juggernaut took a nuclear bomb."

And like Mike has said before the clock is ticking. Whether in your mind you're just simply upholding Marvel truth or fanwhoring is irrelevant. What is wanted is proof of showing applicable reasoning behind all of his feats you spouted.

That is all the advice I care to give.

i woudl suggest reading and paying attention.
list of random feats. including the nuclear bomb refrence.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 01#1841501
NOt posted by me.
lie #1

He is immune to tk
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 36#1841636
again not psoted by me

lie #2

me showing math AND RPG stats to proove my point
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 36#1841636

ok then. As you wish.
So everyone knows this part of the talk will be a wankfest.

meaning i was not debating seriosly nor was i using nay of the numbers for an actual debate. i was showing them how bad it can get.

lie #3

want me to find

want to add more lies to the pile?
i am not quantifying anuthing


if you actually read what i wrote. You will find the answers,

Nimrod then drops 1.37 kilotons on Juggernaut, but Juggernaut smashes his way out.

post above.

lie #4
enjoy.

[ali-sama]

i am just going to agree to disagree. you belive wha tyou want. you can end this how you want. If you dont; belive me. fine. I don;'t care. have juggernaught annalry raped by a rankor for all care. I am no longer debating on this topic.

[Wyrm]

I want to appologize for my use of sarcasm to make fun of an obvios troll. I should have just not replied and let him live in his ignorance.
I am sorry mr wong. I shoudl , in the future, put a tag for sarcastic posts.

You are blameless, in the sense of you refuse to take any blame for your shit. Just like El Shrub.

There's a reason why I patrol Parting Shots. Not only is it good to see twits like you go down in flames, but it also reminds me to keep my inner troll under lock and key. The Admins here don't suffer them for long.

Suck it up and apologize sincerely, troll. Like your mommy taught you.

[Wyrm]

Whoops! Spoke too soon. Goodbye, troll. You're not even worth a mark on my BAN-WATCH cane.

[The Yosemite Bear]

erm wyrm who the FUCK do you think you ARE?

did you post anything before showing your jackel ass up here and go about Me-tooing?

if your not going to take part, then don't be an ass clown

[Ghost Rider]

And a final matter to the point going "Look how wanky it can get!" wins nothing. Going Marvel comic has more wank is akin to claiming the sun is bright.

But in your poor attempt to go "If they wank so can I!" is nothing more then demonstrating that you cannot effectively bring across the point of the other side's flaws in a logical format, and you present an even easier target for people to attack, pick apart, and destroy. Literally you used a shitload of slippery slopes, burden of proofs and a whole litany of illogical uses to try and show that you disagreed with what other people were using as wank.

[ali-sama]

And a final matter to the point going "Look how wanky it can get!" wins nothing. Going Marvel comic has more wank is akin to claiming the sun is bright.

But in your poor attempt to go "If they wank so can I!" is nothing more then demonstrating that you cannot effectively bring across the point of the other side's flaws in a logical format, and you present an even easier target for people to attack, pick apart, and destroy. Literally you used a shitload of slippery slopes, burden of proofs and a whole litany of illogical uses to try and show that
you disagreed with what other people were using as wank.

No. I was making fun of them.
We know how juggernaught can be defeated. All you need to do is show a plausable way for it to happen. it;s cool though. I am over it. I was trying to have fun. Never got mad or upset or took it personally. why. cause I am not fan. Btw. we both made mistakes. How about we agree to that and move on cool?