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consequences wrote:We're going with reality.
You forgot to mention the fact that the longest reanged weapon in the game goes less than a kilometer, diregarding artillery, and the artillery tops out at 20 klicks. You also forget that they deliberately fucked the tanks after one of the guys they had working for them designed the Demolisher, which could rape almost any mech under the original rules.
I don't think IS-2's would worry much about the 300 meter range lasers some of them haul around amoung other shitty weapons. :roll:
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The Iron Giant had weapons akin to the disruptors on the WotW War Machines in the film, that is, they made you disappear.

No amount of armour will stop the Iron G. 8)

I never did read the sequel book though...
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Idiots.

UAC-20s are 105mm autocannons and they cause significant damage to mechs. Most tanks mount 120mm guns. Figure it out.
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thats what gets me GURPS Mecha has decent ranged weapons compared to BT I mean 90 yrds for machine gun????cmon thats why to be evil I tripled the ranges
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This is all bullshit, I want a Phantom Titan!
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Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:This is all bullshit, I want a Phantom Titan!
I want a Bolo!
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Whatever dude, my Phantom Titan would 0wn your Bolo!
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Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Whatever dude, my Phantom Titan would 0wn your Bolo!
Culture tech + Bolo design = 0wn4g3!!!111

And shouldn't you be asking for an EVA considering your avatar (which I have as a festive desktop now)? :P
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Phantm Titans are the size of EVAs and mount Holofields, energy shielding and battleship-grade weaponry.

And if I had to ask for anything from Evangelion I'd ask for the girls rather than the emcha. :twisted:
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Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Phantm Titans are the size of EVAs and mount Holofields, energy shielding and battleship-grade weaponry.
Bleh, fear my effectors and line gun emplacements. :D
And if I had to ask for anything from Evangelion I'd ask for the girls rather than the emcha. :twisted:
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Can someone explain-

Ah fuck it, I'll continue in a new thread.
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I want a Dark Kodiak. Relatively small, high firepower, and stealthed. Anything that can carry a bazooka with 625mm armor penetration is OK by me. The machinegun, grenades, and rockets are just icing on the cake. A big mech would be counterproductive for most actions anyway.
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Lt. Nebfer wrote:well if you look when b-tech was made thy guys made it dident know much about military stuff

as for the nuke the iron gient dident servive it but then it hase that self repair ablity :)

you know i was reding at the old gundam project and thy where doing a btech vs yell you know and thy where trying to discribe the b-tech wepons and seeing what would thy would do in the gundam univers
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JediNeophyte wrote:HUGE PICTURE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO AMAZE US
What, are you resorting to Sovereign debate tactics now? :twisted:
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Typhonis 1 wrote:thats what gets me GURPS Mecha has decent ranged weapons compared to BT I mean 90 yrds for machine gun????cmon thats why to be evil I tripled the ranges
GURPS Mecha is more realistic than Battletech can hope to be :) and I don't mean it's more fun as a tabletop wargame (I'd like to play like that sometime, so far I use these gearhead books just for the fun of building stuff). I mean, no matter how you scale weapons, they always come wrong in BT. I still can't understand how smaller caliber autocannons have HIGHER ranges, and lasers are the shittiest of all weapons in RANGE?!?

I talk from personal experience trying to convert Mechs to GURPS vehicles and mecha, I have a lot of real-life and a couple BT mechs, I have my own guidelines for these... still, if I try to make a 10 ton laser without watering down A LOT it basically vapes a mech in one shot and has nearly infinite range :P
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Whatever dude, my Phantom Titan would 0wn your Bolo!
Culture tech + Bolo design = 0wn4g3!!!111

And shouldn't you be asking for an EVA considering your avatar (which I have as a festive desktop now)? :P
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The Dark wrote:I want a Dark Kodiak. Relatively small, high firepower, and stealthed. Anything that can carry a bazooka with 625mm armor penetration is OK by me. The machinegun, grenades, and rockets are just icing on the cake. A big mech would be counterproductive for most actions anyway.
I[/I] can carry a anti tank weapon with such performance. That is a impressive figure by the standards of 1975, compared to today's MANPADS Anti tank systems its pretty shitty.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
The Dark wrote:I want a Dark Kodiak. Relatively small, high firepower, and stealthed. Anything that can carry a bazooka with 625mm armor penetration is OK by me. The machinegun, grenades, and rockets are just icing on the cake. A big mech would be counterproductive for most actions anyway.
I can carry a anti tank weapon with such performance. That is a impressive figure by the standards of 1975, compared to today's MANPADS Anti tank systems its pretty shitty.
Heavy Gear Heavy Bazooka:

Effective range: 800 m
Penetration: 625 mm armor-grade steel

Heavy Gear Mecha is, by far, much better at that whole realism thing than most mecha. Tanks are a thing to be feared by all Gear pilots, especially when used competantly. Better armor, better weapons, more ammo, etc. etc.

The standard tank weapon on the MBTs is the Heavy Field Gun:

Effective range: 3200 m
Penetration: 800 mm armor-grade steel

and the Heavy Railgun:

Effective range: 4000 m
Penetration: 1225 mm armor-grade steel

In contrast, the primary weapons of most Gears are the Light Autocannon:

Effective range: 800 m
Penetration 65 mm armor-grade steel

and the Medium Autocannon:

Effective range: 1200 m
Penetration: 105 mm armor-grade steel

Standard Infantry Rocket Launcher, in comparison, is as follows:

Effective Range: 400 m
Penetration: 200 mm armor-grade steel

These are the stats straight out of the Heavy Gear books, so compare as you please with modern military capabilities. ;)
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To ESB way back there, on 105mm chem jets (demolisher cannon) Vs. 120mm...Actually, the ChemJets (and IIRC, all BT A/C) are low velocity weapons (I think it was part of FASA's attempt to rationalize BT--THey're low velocity because they use a real powerful but real touchy explosive...)

And the whole Battletech universe is, in the words of a freind of mine on another board, something you "don't think about it too hard--it falls apart when you think about it..."...consider--an interplanetary state has only ~500 (areospace) fighters...WarShips cost several orders of magnitude more than a bunch of fighters that can take it out (and it doesn't take many), etc.

Heavy Gear looks cool, never played it though.

And pass me the O'Bengin (spelling: schlock mercenary) minitanks...
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Hmm... I think Unit-01 could probably take it on... After Unit-01 took several N2 mine level blasts, and kept going without harm... The Iron Giant's regeneration ability would be tricky though... If 01 ate it, then maybe id be able to regen, like the Iron Giant :twisted:

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Mekton Zeta is also good a bit weird at times but good a 10 k laser has a range of 10 by 100 hexes each hex being 50 meters across and you can customize the weapons
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Hotfoot wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
The Dark wrote:I want a Dark Kodiak. Relatively small, high firepower, and stealthed. Anything that can carry a bazooka with 625mm armor penetration is OK by me. The machinegun, grenades, and rockets are just icing on the cake. A big mech would be counterproductive for most actions anyway.
I can carry a anti tank weapon with such performance. That is a impressive figure by the standards of 1975, compared to today's MANPADS Anti tank systems its pretty shitty.
Heavy Gear Heavy Bazooka:

Effective range: 800 m
Penetration: 625 mm armor-grade steel

Heavy Gear Mecha is, by far, much better at that whole realism thing than most mecha. Tanks are a thing to be feared by all Gear pilots, especially when used competantly. Better armor, better weapons, more ammo, etc. etc. <snippety extra stat stuff>
Or the dreaded Vandal, with the Medium Artillery Missiles:

Effective Range: 24000 m, 25 meter blast radius
Penetration: 324 mm armor-grade steel

May not destroy heavy armor, but it'll stop infantry charges or IFVs (or most Gears) dead.
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Or the dreaded Vandal, with the Medium Artillery Missiles:

Effective Range: 24000 m, 25 meter blast radius
Penetration: 324 mm armor-grade steel

May not destroy heavy armor, but it'll stop infantry charges or IFVs (or most Gears) dead.
I like Heavy Gear. But really, the above makes no sense. Does everything in the blast radius get penetrated to the extent of 324mm of this steel, or only a direct hit?
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Exonerate wrote:Hmm... I think Unit-01 could probably take it on... After Unit-01 took several N2 mine level blasts, and kept going without harm... The Iron Giant's regeneration ability would be tricky though... If 01 ate it, then maybe id be able to regen, like the Iron Giant :twisted:
You are kidding, right? Unit-01 would tear it to little pieces and eat all of them. And if it's Berserker Unit-01 the Iron Giant could be aniihilated without any physical contact between the EVA and the IG.
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