Fundamentalist Christian almost discovers Sun

Ariphaos · Post by **Ariphaos** » 2005-11-13 12:09am

From http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=1 ... tcount=232

To quote:

"One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it."

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2005-11-13 12:14am

That is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 2005-11-13 12:17am

To put it into perspective, that there is a recognition of circumstances which lead to exceptions is actually an enormous leap in understanding compared to the fundamentalists who have peddled the entropy argument in the past. ... On second thought, coming so close and yet so far is even more frightening.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2005-11-13 12:17am

Is anyone how could anyone be that dense?

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-11-13 12:24am

I don't believe in the sun. It's an atheist trick, a lie!!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2005-11-13 12:44am

"That big yellow ball in the sky? Does nothing. God put it there to tempt us. It tries to seduce you into staring directly into it for an extended period of time, but if you defy God's will and look into it, it burns your retinas!"

General Soontir Fel · Post by **General Soontir Fel** » 2005-11-13 01:05am

This made my day.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2005-11-13 01:13am

We can't be too hard on the sap. After all, being the "awesomest nerd" (read, the Ur-nerd!), he probably never even seen the sun. In fact, I bet he thinks that the sun is EVIL, cause it dries his thin, papery, pasty-white skin!

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Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-11-13 03:29am

There is no such source, because the Sun is just a small orange ball that moves around the flat Earth.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-11-13 03:43am

The sad thing is that Kuroneko's right about this guy: he stands intellectually head and shoulders above most creationists, by virtue of actually recognizing the open system/closed system distinction.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-11-13 03:50am

fgalkin wrote:There is no such source, because the Sun is just a small orange ball that moves around the flat Earth.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

...but wait. What if the turtles that the flat earth is sitting on breathe on us? Would that count?

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-11-13 04:05am

Nephtys wrote:
fgalkin wrote:There is no such source, because the Sun is just a small orange ball that moves around the flat Earth.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
...but wait. What if the turtles that the flat earth is sitting on breathe on us? Would that count?

Tsk, the Earth sits on the back of four elephants, which in turn stand on the back of a giant space turtle. How do you think wind is made? Duh

Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-11-13 06:26am

Nephtys wrote:
fgalkin wrote:There is no such source, because the Sun is just a small orange ball that moves around the flat Earth.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
...but wait. What if the turtles that the flat earth is sitting on breathe on us? Would that count?

Only if you know how to harness the power of hurricanes.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-11-13 06:53am

I'm sorry, but for such a leap of thinking while not taking the last step is just... appauling.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2005-11-13 08:25am

I wonder, if one would tell him about the Sun, would he recognise it as the source of energy that's missing or deny its existance/claim that the Sun doesn't supply enough energy?

And yes, that is the most hilarious thing I've read all day

Wyrm wrote:Important Safety Tip: DO NOT CLICK ON AWESOMEST-TARD'S USER PROFILE! You will get the Thousand Windows of DOOM™! (Obviously a buggy JavaScript, or the JavaScript equivalent of a fork-bomb!)

You must be using a bad browser

Psycho Smiley · Post by **Psycho Smiley** » 2005-11-13 08:54am

If it makes everyone feel better, the sun "doesn't count":

AWESOMEST-TARD wrote:Sorry, my mistake guys, I didn't explain why the Sun doesn't count. Here is the info on that from ChristianAnswers.net:

Is Energy the Key?
To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?

Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?

A dead plant contains the same basic structures as a living plant. It once used the Sun's energy to temporarily increase its order and grow and produce stems, leaves, roots, and flowers - all beginning from a single seed.

If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?

What actually happens when a dead plant receives energy from the Sun? The internal organization in the plant decreases; it tends to decay and break apart into its simplest components. The heat of the Sun only speeds the disorganization process.

Things seem to degenerate into semantics whoring and references to AiG from there.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-11-13 09:01am

Dumbass wrote:If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?

I've seen it all before, but really it's funny when they ask this level of shit and expect what?

I wonder what the dip includes in "The like"?

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-11-13 11:15am

AWESOMEST-TARD wrote:Sorry, my mistake guys, I didn't explain why the Sun doesn't count. Here is the info on that from ChristianAnswers.net:

That's your sole source of information?

Got anything a little less..what's the word I'm thinking of...oh yes...'biased'

Is Energy the Key?
To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?

Well Charlie Church seemed to believe so before going to this propaganda site

Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?

That's the counter? Wow, human stupidity knows no bounds

Gee I wonder how the plant could've died, it could have been many things, including...*GASP!*... a lack of sunlight

If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?

Well lets see, When a multicelluar organism dies all of its cells die with it, in the case of a plant these include the cells that recieve sunlight.

These people never took grade school general science and high school biology, did they?

What actually happens when a dead plant receives energy from the Sun? The internal organization in the plant decreases; it tends to decay and break apart into its simplest components. The heat of the Sun only speeds the disorganization process.

Because the thing is fucking dead!

You're not going to end up with a zombie plant

the increased deteriation is a result of water evaporating, drying the plant corpse up. Also bacteria feast on the plant corpse, 'breaking the plant down' and...*GASP*...the bacteria are stimulated by the sun's heat to proliferate

Pezzoni · Post by **Pezzoni** » 2005-11-13 11:20am

That is hilarious... It acutally made my day

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-11-13 11:48am

This is why I don't go to church. Too many idjits that I'd have to kill before I'd feel good about calling myself Christian again.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2005-11-13 12:49pm

AWESOMEST-TARD wrote:Sorry, my mistake guys, I didn't explain why the Sun doesn't count. Here is the info on that from ChristianAnswers.net:

Is Energy the Key?
To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?

Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?

A dead plant contains the same basic structures as a living plant. It once used the Sun's energy to temporarily increase its order and grow and produce stems, leaves, roots, and flowers - all beginning from a single seed.

If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?

*Ahem!*

AWESOMEST-TARD previously wrote:One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

Watch out, folks! It's the INCREDIBLE MOVING GOALPOSTS!! First, Awesomest-Tard explained that without an energy source, "complexity" can't increase, and since no such source is exant, "complexity" increasing due to evolution in particular could not increase (never mind that "complexity" increasing due to growth would also not increase). But when he considers the mass of incandecent gas above us, he goes off on his little retreat, explaining that the sun, although a source of huge amounts of energy, doesn't count because it can't bring a dead plant to life!

Awesomest-Tard was trying to say 2nd Law of Thermodynamics -> no increase in "complexity" because the system is closed. When we show that the system is NOT closed (and hence the 2nd Law doesn't apply in this case), he falls back on the fact that sunlight can't resurrected dead things, a property sunlight was never claimed to have in the first place, and a property unnecessary to the formulation of evolution.

Remember, Evolution != Voodoo.

Plus, he's yet to explain why a law forbidding the overall increase in entropy fobids local increases in "complexity". Or, indeed, what entropy and "complexity" have to do with each other in the first place. (Entropy is really about dispersal of energy, not "complexity".)

Dalton wrote:Tsk, the Earth sits on the back of four elephants, which in turn stand on the back of a giant space turtle. How do you think wind is made? Duh

But, I am wondering: which end does the wind come from?

FedRebel wrote:You're not going to end up with a zombie plant

ZOMBIE PLANT: "Seeeeeeds... SEEEEEEDS!!!"

Dooey Jo wrote:You must be using a bad browser

Firefox?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-11-13 12:54pm

You can obviously see the strawmen.

"Evolution creates something from nothing." or "Evolution turns the dead into the living."

I wonder where this came from. Even Pokemon and Ninja Turtle "evolution" don't turn dead things into living.

Brian

speaker-to-trolls · Post by **speaker-to-trolls** » 2005-11-13 01:15pm

This really made my day. "If such an energy source existed scientists surely would have noticed it by now", well actually they, along with everyone else ever to live on the planet Earth, has noticed it, or so I thought.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-11-13 01:18pm

That's so painful it ... hurts.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-11-13 02:35pm

brianeyci wrote:You can obviously see the strawmen.

"Evolution creates something from nothing." or "Evolution turns the dead into the living."

I wonder where this came from. Even Pokemon and Ninja Turtle "evolution" don't turn dead things into living.

Brian

Well, there's one evolution I can think of that turns a living Pokemon into an undead...that ninja cicada thing...