Pokemon split

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-11-13 06:40pm

brianeyci wrote:
Molyneux wrote:
brianeyci wrote:You can obviously see the strawmen.

"Evolution creates something from nothing." or "Evolution turns the dead into the living."

I wonder where this came from. Even Pokemon and Ninja Turtle "evolution" don't turn dead things into living.

Brian
Well, there's one evolution I can think of that turns a living Pokemon into an undead...that ninja cicada thing...
Heretic! I recognize Squirtle, Charzard, Bulbasaur and the original 150 as the only pokemen around, none of that crystal bullshit!

Besides they didn't get it from that. Arguing against a strawman is stupid. I'm beginning to think the best way to start a debate with a creationist is to ask them first, "what do you think evolution is?"

Brian

What about Gold/Silver?

Metatwaddle · Post by **Metatwaddle** » 2005-11-13 09:38pm

What about Gold/Silver?

That's heresy too.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2005-11-13 10:58pm

I liked Gold and Silver!

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2005-11-13 11:50pm

Molyneux wrote:
brianeyci wrote:You can obviously see the strawmen.

"Evolution creates something from nothing." or "Evolution turns the dead into the living."

I wonder where this came from. Even Pokemon and Ninja Turtle "evolution" don't turn dead things into living.

Brian
Well, there's one evolution I can think of that turns a living Pokemon into an undead...that ninja cicada thing...

Not quite... What happens is that the Pokemon's evolution is it shedding it's skin like a Cicada does, and if you have an open slot on your team(only have 5 Pokemon with you), the empty husk becomes a kind of undead Pokemon.

Although some Pokemon are kinda grusome when you think about it, like Cubone, which wears the skull of it's mother.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-11-14 07:09am

Discombobulated wrote:
What about Gold/Silver?
That's heresy too.

Not as big a heresy. I liked some of the new pokemon in G/S; Lugia remains one of my all-time favorites.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-11-14 08:51am

From here

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-11-14 09:32am

Gold Silver were good, anything after that is pure shit-imon.

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2005-11-14 02:49pm

There were certainly problems with Ruby/Sapphire, but surely you can't mean that for Fire Red/Leaf Green and Emerald? Ranger and Mysterious Dungeon are looking pretty damn good too.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-11-14 10:14pm

Feeling like a nerd here, I'll be the first one to actually give Shedinja's name.

That being said, Ruby/Sapphire improved a bunch of old pokemon in addition to the new ones, and it made the metagame servicable compared to the Snorlax-and-Slowbro-centric RBY engine. Admittedly, the metagame now isn't perfect, and Snorlax (although Slowbro has faded into obscurity,) is still all too plentiful, but at least we have counters now, like Dunsparce.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2005-11-14 10:27pm

Dunsparce has become an effective counter for Snorlaks? Are we thinking of the same pokemon?

How?!

Sephirius · Post by **Sephirius** » 2005-11-14 11:52pm

so I herd u liek mudkips

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2005-11-15 02:34am

See, I could never get the people who played the game professionally. I got up to the point where if I wanted to get any better I'd have to start taking real strageys and numbers into account and then I was like "wait..." I don't really give a fuck.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-11-15 06:41am

Majin Gojira wrote:Dunsparce has become an effective counter for Snorlaks? Are we thinking of the same pokemon?

How?!

As of Ruby/Sapphire it has the ability Serene Grace, which doubles the accuracy of the secondary effects of moves. If the Dunsparce uses Thunder Wave, Attract, and then keeps using Headubtt, the Snorlax would have a 10% chance of moving. It's a bit of a crapshot, but he's the only one I could think of off the top of my head.

EDIT: That, and it's always hysterically funny when people start screaming "wtfhax."

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2005-11-15 06:44am

darthdavid wrote:See, I could never get the people who played the game professionally. I got up to the point where if I wanted to get any better I'd have to start taking real strageys and numbers into account and then I was like "wait..." I don't really give a fuck.

It's not really a "professional" thing. You just sort of pick up more tricks when you play the game online, since it's a much more difficult environment to stay on top in.

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2005-11-15 07:56am

Qwerty 42 wrote:Feeling like a nerd here, I'll be the first one to actually give Shedinja's name.

As the webmaster of Bulbagarden.net, I think I outnerd you there. ;p SAMAS probably would too, seeing as he used to be pretty huge in shipping circles. Man, that brings back memories...

I never got into Netbattle myself, despite actually being in fairly regular contact with some of the creators at various points. Partially because of the seeming stagnation in the metagame (There's not many ways one can really build a competitive team without using the OU's), and partially because it won't even work properly on Windows XP with Unicode set to Japanese, even with AppLocale. ;_; It'll be interesting to see what the metagame is like on Nintendo DS WiFi with Diamond and Pearl.

Now, the TCG however....the metagame changes there in the past few months have been huge. Not to mention the huge shock victory of a Monarchy deck at worlds over the hugely popular T2 Medicham. Does make me wonder if SMP will have the same fate this tournament season.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2005-11-15 08:08am

Qwerty 42 wrote:
darthdavid wrote:See, I could never get the people who played the game professionally. I got up to the point where if I wanted to get any better I'd have to start taking real strageys and numbers into account and then I was like "wait..." I don't really give a fuck.
It's not really a "professional" thing. You just sort of pick up more tricks when you play the game online, since it's a much more difficult environment to stay on top in.

...wait...online battle with Pokemon? WTF?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-11-15 08:25am

Molyneux wrote:
Qwerty 42 wrote:
darthdavid wrote:See, I could never get the people who played the game professionally. I got up to the point where if I wanted to get any better I'd have to start taking real strageys and numbers into account and then I was like "wait..." I don't really give a fuck.
It's not really a "professional" thing. You just sort of pick up more tricks when you play the game online, since it's a much more difficult environment to stay on top in.
...wait...online battle with Pokemon? WTF?

I'm guessing these guys use MIRC, or maybe some sort of web-based interface... I've seen both before.

My brother used to be hot into this stuff. Played Pokemon competitively for a few years. Online, then went to those Nintendo Bus tours lol.

Brian

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2005-11-15 08:34am

The IRC based GSBot and RSBot aren't really used nowdays. In fact, I'm not even sure they're running anymore. Most of it's done via the Netbattle program, which you can google.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2005-11-15 10:33am

Archaic` wrote:
Qwerty 42 wrote:Feeling like a nerd here, I'll be the first one to actually give Shedinja's name.
As the webmaster of Bulbagarden.net, I think I outnerd you there. ;p SAMAS probably would too, seeing as he used to be pretty huge in shipping circles. Man, that brings back memories...

Holy crap, how long have you been hiding out here?

Ryoga · Post by **Ryoga** » 2005-11-15 10:50am

There's not many ways one can really build a competitive team without using the OU's

Hey, there are plenty of non-OU Pokemon that are still good. Looking at bluehat's list of UU 'mon, I see some definite winners: Absol, Clefable, Dunsparce, Nidoking, Ninetales, Tentacruel....

It's all in how you use 'em really.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-11-15 11:02am

Well since this has turned into a serious discussion of Pokemon... I guess I have to say honestly, I don't really have anything against Pokemon past blue/red/gold/silver, because I have no idea where Pokemon went after that. I never got into max stats, strategy, or anything like that, but it was fun watching my brother getting excited over it. My idea of a Pokemon "team" was beedrill, raichu, taurus (sp), raticate, the one that looked like a plant, and the ice one that can evolve into two or three different other types, and of course charzard. When I mentioned these Pokemon to my brother, he laughed his ass off lol. Hey, I was only 14 or 15 at the time lol. My idea of strategy was to keep one Pokemon of each type around, and it worked for single player. I would just match up the type, and the other Pokemon died.

But then my brother sold his blue cartridge and I forgot about Pokemon.

<edit>I would have gotten into Pokemon much earlier... but I picked charmander in the beginning rather than bulbasaur or squirtle. The first trainer was normal (or was it rock) and it was so fucking hard I couldn't beat it. I was small, so I wasn't really into spending hours levelling up my charmander in the wild, so I left the game in disgust. That's when my brother picked it up. If not for that "traumatic" experience with Pokemon (hey when you're a kid things like this are devestating lol), I might be as big Pokemon freaks as you guys, it seems to be just the kind of thing with enough strategy to hold my interest

. When I got back to Pokemon many years later, I was way older, and the bandwagon had passed. I beat blue, and that was it. I wonder what my brother's face would be like if I got into Pokemon and told him a few weeks later, rattled off the names of a couple hundred Pokemon, and showed him a competitive team lol, it would freak him out. Plus... I wonder if girls would be turned on by Pokemon LOL.</edit>

Brian

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-11-15 02:24pm

My team in the old day was:
Dragonite, Charizard, Alakazam/Mewtwo, The dragon fish that evolved from the useless fish thing, Zapdos and another I can't remmemeber, a fighting type I think.
In G/S I had a better balanced team but for the life of me I can't remmemeber it

Post by **Surlethe** » 2005-11-15 04:20pm

DEATH wrote:My team in the old day was:
Dragonite, Charizard, Alakazam/Mewtwo, The dragon fish that evolved from the useless fish thing, Zapdos and another I can't remmemeber, a fighting type I think.

That would be Dragonite, Charizard, Mewtwo, Gyarados, Zapdos, and Hitmonchan, no? In any case, I fell out partway through Silver, though I'd like to go back and play through Silver, and then Leaf Green or Fire Red. Someday.

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2005-11-15 04:21pm

SAMAS wrote:Holy crap, how long have you been hiding out here?

Since before you, according to our join dates. :p I remember being here when you got your ass handed to you by Wong. A pity the shipping debates were over by then, we could have all used the lessons in debating.

Ryoga wrote:Hey, there are plenty of non-OU Pokemon that are still good. Looking at bluehat's list of UU 'mon, I see some definite winners: Absol, Clefable, Dunsparce, Nidoking, Ninetales, Tentacruel....

It's all in how you use 'em really.

I suppose...but I've never really seen anyone use them that way, unfortunatly. Too few people seem to be willing to take risks and try them.

brianeyci wrote:Plus... I wonder if girls would be turned on by Pokemon LOL.

You'd be surprised. There's huge numbers of girls in the fandom. They seem to have a lot more staying power than the guys actually, given that they tend to florish more within the fanfic and fanart communities. A good percentage of them are mature non-fangirls too.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2005-11-15 04:29pm

Archaic` wrote:
brianeyci wrote:Plus... I wonder if girls would be turned on by Pokemon LOL.
You'd be surprised. There's huge numbers of girls in the fandom. They seem to have a lot more staying power than the guys actually, given that they tend to florish more within the fanfic and fanart communities. A good percentage of them are mature non-fangirls too.

Every single girl I have ever dueled in pokemon used a Sandslash. Granted, this was way back when it was just red and blue, but still, it freaked me out.