[ryan8723] Rat bastard frat boy hits and kills grad student

[Metatwaddle]

If I may wade in here and ask a question that no one else seems to have brought up (at least not directly): Doesn't Ryan's statement that he drives home drunk constitute a violation of PR2?

Well, assuming that he was drunk enough that his blood alcohol content was above the legal maximum for drivers, yes.

[Spyder]

I'm not sure what the legal limit is in the US, but generally you shouldn't be able to actually get drunk and still be under it.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

.08 BAL

[The Yosemite Bear]

well there's a reason why I don't drink at all anymore besides the bloodpressure and heart disease I am now dealing with in my 30's

I know the consequnces, and I am damn lucky that I was never in any trouble as a college student...

[The Yosemite Bear]

Also as a bartender we are actually responsible for these folks. Folks who run parties are too, but they don't have to take a class the clearly tells them their responsibility. I have been getting very, very tired of folks proxy buying (that's illegal you know) for their very friendly drunk friends. But it's a pain for me....

[weemadando]

Man, in Australia its 0.05 and you're over.

[Colonel Olrik]

The difference between myself and others is that I know my limits well and know when to stop so that I can drive home. I can get drunk at the bar and still be able to drive home perfectly normal.

You're an idiot and a criminal.

No you don't, you worthless asstard. There is no such thing as "knowing your limits" with alcohol because that's the whole fucking point of the thing: it subverts self-control.

It does after a certain amount, but if you're responsible you don't reach that phase. If you know that after two beers drank during several hours your level of intoxication is well below legal limits then you can restrict yourself to those two beers. I don't understand people who get pissed off by someone (of normal constitution, etc) having a single glass of wine or beer with a meal and driving afterwards - that's also extreme.

Indeed, what a wonderfully blunt way of putting it.

The only time I've ever "drink drived" is when I'd had a single beer, more than 2 hours before hand.

I can't understand why people would risk it.

I have two options in that situation (that I feel fine but have been drinking more than one beer). Either leave the car there, obviously, or often find a nice policeman/woman and ask to be tested. They always do it very happily and thank me afterwards.

[Instant Sunrise]

IIRC, it takes an hour on average for the liver to remove the alcohol in 12oz glass of beer, or a 6oz glass of wine. 1 hour per drink, start counting from the last drink.

In weemadando's case, he was unlikely to have had any alcohol in his system after 2 hours. ryan, you are a fucktard. Even being under the US' legal limit, has been shown to impair driving ability.

[ryan8723]

I will admit, that I do drive home from the bars all the time. The difference between myself and others is that I know my limits well and know when to stop so that I can drive home. I can get drunk at the bar and still be able to drive home perfectly normal. The problem is not with people like me, the problem is with people who don't know their limits and don't know when to give their keys up to someone who can drive. I will do both when I need to if I am too drunk.

If after drinking at the bars and driving home you get in an accident, or hit somebody walking on the side of the road, the fact remains that you had "been drinking" (consumed a few drinks) prior to that accident occurring, and it's a fact you'll have to live with the rest of your life.

The same principle works with "having a few drinks" before a tragic accident with a child happens nearby where you are. Even if the accident would have been just as unavoidable if you had been 100% sober and alert, the fact that you had impaired your judgement and/or reaction speed at all will go against you.

It doesn't matter if a person had only 1 drink or 20, if they can prove that you were drinking at the time of the accident you're going to be fucked regardless of what you do since the person you hit is going to sue the crap out of you.

[ryan8723]

I will admit, that I do drive home from the bars all the time.

The difference between myself and others is that I know my limits well and know when to stop so that I can drive home. I can get drunk at the bar and still be able to drive home perfectly normal.

No, you can't. Not only is drunk driving illegal, but it is also dangerous even at low levels of intoxication.

Since you have probably never driven after drinking, there is nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise.

The problem is not with people like me,

Yes, it is. The problem does lie with asstards like you who justify their drinking habits and make pretenses of being able to drive while intoxicated.

I don't try to justify my drinking habits at all, since they are what they are. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about them.

the problem is with people who don't know their limits and don't know when to give their keys up to someone who can drive.

Oh, bullshit. The whole "know your limits" thing is a complete cop-out because the problem wouldn't exist in the first place without alcohol and I have no clue how you can be using such things in an effort to justify drinking on a college campus or in defense of Greek letter organizations that frequently promote no awareness or responsibility of any kind.

Have you ever even had alcohol before? I've been drinking now for nearly 7 years, I know exactly what I can and cannot take before I completely lose all motor function and lose the ability to drive. Believe me or not, I don't really care but I can drive perfectly normal while buzzing to a light drunk. Anything passed that and I will either take a cab, use the carpool system my university has set up for students, or allow someone else to drive.

Again, I'm not trying to justify drinking at all. I drink because I like to do it and I like to get drunk, any other justification is meaningless to me.

As for awareness or responsibility, each person who pledges to a fraternity has to go to a presentation about alcohol and its dangers. Then during our pledging process, we usually go through it again with them. On top of that, we usually have in place a system where a few brothers and a few pledges must stay sober at each party in order to make sure no one does anything stupid. While you may not think fraternities are responsible, we go to a much greater extent than most organizations do to talk about alcohol.

I will do both when I need to if I am too drunk.

What, precisely, do you mean by "too drunk?" You obviously don't mean "intoxicated," since you previously argued that you could drive home WHILE DRUNK. This is such an absurd argument as to demonstrate conclusively that you do, in fact, have a problem with alcohol for which I advise you to seek treatment. The fact that some other members of your frat are even worse than you are does not excuse your behavior nor does it preclude the possibility that you are an alcoholic.

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

[ryan8723]

Do you not think that I don't understand the risks of alcoholism? It runs in my family, and has ruined many lives in my family.

You know that, and still you drink?

Yeah, but unlike them I have never drank in my life to make problems go away.

The difference between them and myself is that I can easily quit if I want to since I have no urge at all to drink all the time.

No, no you can't.
Want to prove me wrong? Stop drinking for a month.

Not difficult, as I have done it many times in college. My desire to drink is nothing more than for pure entertainment and personal enjoyment.

Not to mention the fact that <excuses excuses excuses>

You want to be taken seriously, stop using plays directly from Being a Drunkard for Dummies, dumbass.

I don't use scenarios or examples from anyone, I don't make excuses for anything. I am what I am, accept it or don't.

If you didn't care what other people did with their lives, then why the fuck have you continually posted on this thread about how we should ban fraternities and sororities from colleges and that binge drinking is a major problem? If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have posted on this thread.

Because he think it would be smart, just like he thinks you are dumb.

I didn't ask you, don't reply for him.

I will admit, that I do drive home from the bars all the time.

The difference between myself and others is that I know my limits well and know when to stop so that I can drive home. I can get drunk at the bar and still be able to drive home perfectly normal.

No you don't, you worthless asstard. There is no such thing as "knowing your limits" with alcohol because that's the whole fucking point of the thing: it subverts self-control.[/quote]

So I guessing knowing exactly how many drinks of a certain type of alcohol you can take means nothing then. I always keep track of how many drinks I have had in the bar and of what kind of drink it was so that I know how much more I can have for the night until I must slow down. Since I don't usually get to the bars until about 11:30, which means I only have about 2 hours and 30 minutes to drink, I don't usually get all that drunk.
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The problem is not with people like me, the problem is with people who don't know their limits and don't know when to give their keys up to someone who can drive. I will do both when I need to if I am too drunk.

The only people in the world who aren't too drunk to drive home after drinking are fucking Catholics leaving Mass, asshole.[/quote][/quote]

Or people who don't get to the bars until late and only have a short time before they close.

[Rogue 9]

So you're too drunk to get quote tags right, or are you just that stupid?

[Darth Wong]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.).

If you actually think you're OK to drive up until that point, you're even dumber than I thought.

[brianeyci]

I took SmartServe and learned that the human body can absorb one drink each hour without the blood alcohol level rising. It's a fixed one drink no matter how fat or skinny or small or tall you are, because a liver's a liver. After that, it all depends on your body type/weight/so on. NOTE : ONE DRINK PER HOUR CAN MAKE YOU DRUNK, IT IS ONLY A GUIDELINE. ONE DRINK AN HOUR CAN MAKE YOU AN IMPARED DRIVER, IT DOES FOR ME.

How much do you weigh and how tall are you, and how old are you ryan8723? How many drinks do you drink ryan8723 in one hour, what kind of drink (beer 12 oz 5%/wine 5 oz 12%/spirits 1 oz 40%). How many drinks do you drink a whole night. If you have such mastery as you claim, you should remember the amount of drinks you drink a night and how many in each one hour interval. I can then give you a guideline how much your BAC would be.

NOTE : I AM NOT A DOCTOR, I AM NOT GIVING MEDICAL ADVICE AS TO WHETHER A PERSON IS FIT FOR DRIVING. I'm just trying to get objective facts from you when you say you drive home "drunk" but not drunk enough to kill someone.

Brian

[Edi]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

You really are one stupid shitlicking pigfucker. Even before you have easily visually detectable motor impairment, the alcohol in your system significantly increases reaction time delays. To something on the order of two to three times normal. When you're going at 50 miles an hour or faster, you won't have time to react because by the time your body responds to your thoughts, it's all over.

So why don't you go jump off a skyscraper or something similar and preferably fatal? Because if you carry on as you have, sooner or later you WILL kill someone or maim them for life.

Edi

[Surlethe]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

What the fuck do you think the buzz is if it's not impairment?

[Master of Ossus]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

Listen, you worthless asstard, if you think it's okay to drive unless you're so drunk you can't even WALK STRAIGHT then you have even more problems than I had thought. Do you not realize that alcohol slows one's reflexes long before it begins to impair motor function? Do you not realize that the "buzz" phase indicates that you are mentally impaired by alcohol? Where are your frat boy fuck buddies? They're clearly doing nothing to help you monitor yourself, and they've clearly been passing these bizarre delusions about drinking on to your worthless criminal ass.

[Jalinth]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

Being at the "buzzed" stage does produce impairment. This is the reason some places charge you with impaired driving, with the BAC test simply being one test. Volunteer for one of the tests they do and check your reaction time sober vs not. Major difference. As pedestrian and biker, this could be the difference between you screeching to a halt versus running right through me.

Hopefully I'm never in the same city with you, since I don't want to be around a buzzed driver (even lightly).

[Morilore]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

Absolutely no concern for thought-process impairment, I see. Dumbass.

Yeah, but unlike them I have never drank in my life to make problems go away.

You do realize thats exactly the mistaken reasoning Darth Wong pointed out earlier, don't you?

Not difficult, as I have done it many times in college.

OK, so instead of a month, try "not within an hour from my driving home."

My desire to drink is nothing more than for pure entertainment and personal enjoyment.

Doesn't matter one bit, dumbass.

I don't use scenarios or examples from anyone, I don't make excuses for anything. I am what I am, accept it or don't.

The point was that the things you were saying were exactly the kinds of things drunkards say.

So I guessing knowing exactly how many drinks of a certain type of alcohol you can take means nothing then.

Pretty much the only way you can know for sure is if you got a sober friend to judge for you. Otherwise you have to account for loss of reasoning faculties.

I always keep track of how many drinks I have had in the bar and of what kind of drink it was so that I know how much more I can have for the night until I must slow down. Since I don't usually get to the bars until about 11:30, which means I only have about 2 hours and 30 minutes to drink, I don't usually get all that drunk.

You're reasoning is seriously flawed. It would be better to go earlier and then stay dry for two and a half hours before getting in a car.

Or people who don't get to the bars until late and only have a short time before they close.

See above.

[Keevan_Colton]

*flush*

[Wyrm]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

Drunken shitstick asswipe! Your reasoning faculties and motor skills deteriorate to the point where your a road hazard long before you're falling down drunk.

"Driving ability is significantly compromised at blood alcohol levels over 40 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood, or about half the legal limit, and most men will get to that level with just one pint of normal strength beer."

Why is this? Because you react slower to your envioronment, because your prefrontal cortex is one of the first areas affected by alcohol intoxication! Driving is one activity that you need to be able to react quickly, and that's impared by drink!

On the other hand, speaking clearly, standing straight, and walking without tripping over your feet use specialized regions in your brain and spinal cord, all of which are comparitively robust in performance to alcohol intoxication. Speech slurring is not an environment-sensitive issue, and most of the fine adjustments of you balance is taken care of by your spinal cord. Your prefrontal cortex does not have to respond particularly quickly to a changing environment in order to keep from slurring your speech or fall over when standing or walking.

Thus, when you're at the point where you're falling down drunk, you're definitely too drunk to drive, but you passed that point a while ago. A reliable indicator deteriorates noticably before your ability to drive does, and that doesn't happen here.

Save us the trouble and drive off a cliff before you hurt someone else!

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

*flush*

Wheeeee!!!!

Just in time for me to board the Turd Train!!! ->SPLOOOSH!!<-

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.).

Listen you fucking worthless asshatted fucktard, I can drink ONE FUCKING BEER and I definitely notice a negative impact on my playing Quake. Playing a fucking COMPUTER GAME where no one's safety is at stake! By the time I get to "noticeably lose motor functions" as you put it, I CANNOT PLAY QUAKE AT ALL! Apples (playing a harmless FPS game) to oranges (playing with the lives of everyone on the highway), I know, but it's to make a point. If I lose reaction-speed and make errors in a damn game, I most certainly will if I drive!!

You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

BULLSHIT, you fucking asshole! I've been lightly buzzed, totally pissed, and everything in between; and I for one would NOT trust myself behind the wheel after just one drink!!

[Spyder]

When I say "too drunk," I mean beginning to noticeably lose motor functions (i.e. swaying while standing, stumbling while walking, slurring speech, staring aimlessly, etc.). You can be drunk, yet still have almost complete control over your body. That is what the buzzing/light drunk stage is and that is almost exactly how I get the vast majority of time when I am at the bar.

The buzzing stage, where suddenly everything's interesting, including conversation and jokes that would otherwise be ignored? By that point you've already got a vastly lower reaction time. I'm almost willing to bet money that while driving home from the bar that you've had the odd "oh shit, was meant to give way to that guy" or "oh whoops, light went red." Probably thought it was perfectly normal as you've no doubt had the ocassional 'whoops' when you're sobre. After all, who hasn't right?

The difference is, you're going to kill someone because drving home is going to require that you react to something and you're going to fail to react to it because the likelyhood that you're going to have one of these 'whoops' moments has just increased by several orders of magnitude because your reaction time will have gone completely to shit.

10 feet tall and indestructable, feels that way doesn't it?

[Surlethe]

The buzzing stage, where suddenly everything's interesting, including conversation and jokes that would otherwise be ignored? By that point you've already got a vastly lower reaction time.

I'm going to add to this and say the fact things are now interesting, like jokes and conversations that he'd've ignored by now, indicates impairment of judgment.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I think ryan's been educated enough on the specific biochemistry of his drinking habits and repercussions thereof. If there's nothing else worth adding here, I see no reason to carry on with beating the horse into soup.