[Prodigal Son] Doesn't know what reaction time is

[Surlethe]

Jedi got gunned down by Order 66 because of two reasons: Palpatine was inhibiting the Force;

Really? when the fuck did palpatine ever show he could inhibit the force over millions upon millions of miles of space? really, I dare you to back that shit up kid

The same time Yoda could feel the Force over thousands of lightyears. Palpatine inhibits the Force locally; there's no reason a Sith Lord can't inhibit it over lightyears when his Light Side counterpart can feel it over lightyears. Of course, that's using logic, and I wouldn't expect you to be able to do anything of the sort, you moron.

[Surlethe]

[My kitten named Star is on my lap now, pawing at Prodigal Son's posts. Apparently, even non-sentients recignize the stupid. - SirNitram]

[Surlethe]

[Deletions are frowned upon, but we will replace it with red text. And references to kittens. - SirNitram]

[Prodigal Son]

well that confirms it, you've never seen a vagina, and most likely that wont ever change

[SirNitram]

Lying bitch. The threat only came when your response to me pointing out your strawman was to shove words in my mouth. Do not lie about your opponents positions. Do not lie period.

who the fuck are you kid? who the fuck are you to tell me im lying? Ive heard about this board, ive heard people get banned when they dont agree with the mods, DEAL WITH IT BITCH, if it isnt true then say it isnt true, but dont throw a fuckin little pansy ass hissy fit

My name is Martin. I'm capable of reading English. From that simple skill, I see your lies. Do not call me a kid. Do not screech at me or pretend I'm throwing a hissy fit when I criticize you and your fellow fan-whores.

You know why those brats on CBR claim that? Do you? Because they tried to lie, bullshit, and throw tantrums when we destroyed their pathetic attempts at arguments. Because they trolled around our forum, infecting every sub-forum, posting multiple threads with no content, because they couldn't win arguments.

They're lying. Just like you.

That is not an 'opinion'. I'm sick of you and your fellow whiny bitches turning you coming here, insulting the population, putting up bullshit arguments, then, when the pathetic attempts are knocked down, turning into whiny little brats who think they can insult everyone, never provide an argument, and shove words in the other guys mouths.

and im sick of you and your pack of star wars fanboys acting like youre always right and everyone else is wrong, everyone else is a moron but you are intelligent? shut the fuck up you bias piece of shit

Prove the bias or fuck off.

as to the rest of your post? I didnt even bother reading it, im sure its chalked full of more of your dipshit theories and "simple conclusions"

I'm sure it's simply because you're an illiterate eight year old. Or at least with the mentality of one.

[Dangermouse]

Edit: Actually that is wrong on my part. The above should say instead

Precog time (time I sense event until it occurs) - Reaction time (time it takes me to react) > 0

[Ender]

And what prevents me from doing this far enough before he starts that I still block him, precisely? Besides your fanwhorish refusal to get the simplest concepts?

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And why the fuck cant you understand simple concepts? Why the fuck cant you accept that precog means nothing if your reaction ? notice the jedi dont jump out of the way of blaster bolts usually? they fucking BLOCK them, why? because they ARENT fast enough to jump the fuck out of the way, why the fuck cant you, on a board who is known above all else for applying reason and logic, understand that you NEED to be able to perceive something in order to react to it, their precog shows them what is about to happen, not what IS happening, it does NOT raise their reaction times, and until you prove it does, simply playing it off by calling people fanwhorish and calling your one sided illogical arguments "simple" just wont fucking cut it, so either put up or shut the fuck up

I provided this proof pages ago when I pointed out that they block C speed weapons. Therefore their reaction time is suficient.

Unless you want to try and argue that mazers do not move at C

[Prodigal Son]

The same time Yoda could feel the Force over thousands of lightyears.

which isnt inhibiting the force, so why the fuck did you even bring it up?

Palpatine inhibits the Force locally; there's no reason a Sith Lord can't inhibit it over lightyears when his Light Side counterpart can feel it over lightyears .

Besides the fact that he's never shown that his abilities stem that far? nor was it ever hinted he was clouding the force that far out on the galaxy?

[Ender]

That's the trick, really: We know against opponents who are not specially trained(Clonetroopers, who were flash-imprinted to do this.), or Force-Sensitive themselves(Other Jedi, Sith), they're near flawless. They go up against how many droids before sheer numbers beat them down? And most of those dead are the ambassadors and teachers, not the warriors.

Right. I am mainly curious if there was a number out there (how far into the future can a Jedi see as far as combat situations) to get a better feel of situations (if any) in which Jedi precog might not be fast enough (or distant enough in the past).

That's a question for PSW, really. I don't think we get exact numbers, but it is confirmed that another Force User can inhibit both precog and manuverability in the AOTC novelization, IIRC.

Of course, it's likely not to be a single number for all. A diplomat may have superior long-term, broad precog(The meeting will have this outcome if I do nothing), but inferior combat precog. And Yoda may be exceptionally powerful.

We do know, however, they can react fast enough to fight in starfighters are large chunks of cee from the NJO books(God, those were bad books).

ROTS novel as well.

[Darth Wong]

I see the tired old "precog sucks if it isn't perfect" argument is being trotted out again. Of course, Spiderman's precog has failed him on occasion too, but that doesn't seem to stop comic fan-whores from predicting that Spiderman would never ever ever ever get beaten by a thug with a machinegun.

[Eframepilot]

And what prevents me from doing this far enough before he starts that I still block him, precisely? Besides your fanwhorish refusal to get the simplest concepts?

Because you're too slow! The Flash is moving at (or so close that it doesn't matter) the speed of light. It doesn't matter how early you start to react. You are a statue to the Flash. You cannot physically move fast enough to intercept his moves. It doesn't matter if you can predict his moves if your body can't react quickly enough to actually counter them.

Thats the trick and the hangup though. The precog has to be far enough out so that the Jedi's reaction time + the precog time is less than time it takes the Flash to do action X. If I can predict that you are going to fire a lightspeed bolt at me, and I know this lets say five minutes in advance, well I have five minutes to move my body outside the beam of the bolt. Thats why I am kinda interested in how far in advance Jedi can predict combat actions. If you don't know that, its hard to really tell what is going on.

In battle situations it seems to be a matter of seconds. With your lightspeed bolt, I could see it being like this: I fire the lightspeed bolt at you from five light minutes away. At four minutes, fifty-eight seconds, the Force warns you and you jump out of the way, depending on how good a Jedi you are.

With the Flash, it's different. The Flash moves fast enough that you are a living statue to him. It is not possible to physically react to him at all, no matter how early you start. If the Force warned you early enough, you could get the hell off the planet, but that's about the only option.

[Prodigal Son]

Unless you want to try and argue that mazers do not move at C

there we go, you made a point WITHOUT coming off as a total asshole who's never seen female breasts, thank you, and kudos for not using the words: fanwhore, troll, or moron


Alright, if that is true, Ill except their reaction times are up there..but now the question is, what are they gonna do about his immense strength, durability, heat vision/super breath?

[Surlethe]

The same time Yoda could feel the Force over thousands of lightyears.

which isnt inhibiting the force, so why the fuck did you even bring it up?

Palpatine inhibits the Force locally; there's no reason a Sith Lord can't inhibit it over lightyears when his Light Side counterpart can feel it over lightyears .

Besides the fact that he's never shown that his abilities stem that far? nor was it ever hinted he was clouding the force that far out on the galaxy?

For fuck's sake, the Jedi Council in TPM knew something was clouding the force! Are you that incapable of rational thought?

[Ender]

The same time Yoda could feel the Force over thousands of lightyears.

which isnt inhibiting the force, so why the fuck did you even bring it up?

Palpatine inhibits the Force locally; there's no reason a Sith Lord can't inhibit it over lightyears when his Light Side counterpart can feel it over lightyears .

Besides the fact that he's never shown that his abilities stem that far? nor was it ever hinted he was clouding the force that far out on the galaxy?

ROTS novel states differently, that the shroud was affecting Jedi all over.

[SirNitram]

You're missing the point. Here's an example: Suppose you're a Jedi, and you're fighting the Flash. The Flash can easily move at relativistic velocities. So he goes to attack you. Because you have precognition, you react to this before he starts to move.

But it's too late! You can't even move your lightsaber a millimeter before he punches you a thousand times in a second and you die. Even starting before the Flash begins moving, you fail to react to him. You are a living statue to him.

And what prevents me from doing this far enough before he starts that I still block him, precisely? Besides your fanwhorish refusal to get the simplest concepts?

Because you're too slow! The Flash is moving at (or so close that it doesn't matter) the speed of light. It doesn't matter how early you start to react. You are a statue to the Flash. You cannot physically move fast enough to intercept his moves. It doesn't matter if you can predict his moves if your body can't react quickly enough to actually counter them.

You do realize that by beginning before he even thinks of it, I can complete the actions anytime I wish, right? Or is that too advanced a concept for you?

[Darth Quorthon]

From the Revenge of the Sith Novel:

With the Jedi Order overextended, spread thin across the galaxy, each Jedi is alone, surrounded only by whatever clone troops he, she, or it commands. War itself pours darkness into the Force, deepening the cloud that limits Jedi perception. And the clones have no malice, no hatred, not the slightest ill intent that might give warning. They are only following orders.
In this case, Order Sixty-Six.

[Noble Ire]

well that confirms it, you've never seen a vagina, and most likely that wont ever change

This from a guy who is sitting at his computer, frantically screaming at the mean ol' warsies over Superman's abilities. I'm not one to sink to such insults, but I'll let this one speak for itself.

[Prodigal Son]

I see the tired old "precog sucks if it isn't perfect" argument is being trotted out again. Of course, Spiderman's precog has failed him on occasion too, but that doesn't seem to stop comic fan-whores from predicting that Spiderman would never ever ever ever get beaten by a thug with a machinegun.

Ok, it isnt perfect in the sense that it wont always be effective depending on their opponents speed, spidey shouldnt get beat by a thug with a gun, but I'll be damned if anyone tried to argue he can react to gladiator coming at him top speed

[Ender]

Unless you want to try and argue that mazers do not move at C

there we go, you made a point WITHOUT coming off as a total asshole who's never seen female breasts, thank you, and kudos for not using the words: fanwhore, troll, or moron

Yes, amazingly I did not descend to your level. I dealt with y opponenets points instead of ignoring them, denying them, and cursing while decrying them doing the same, and trying to appear more mature by hurling out "kid" left and right.

You know, if you had simply acknowledged this point pages ago instead of ignoring it and hoping you could fight your way out of it, you wouldn't look like the boil on the collective ass of humanity you now appear to be.

[Prodigal Son]

ROTS novel states differently, that the shroud was affecting Jedi all over.

Wow, people, take notes, again: he comes back with a rebuttle without sounding like a child, and makes a valid point, I did not know it said that in the novel

[Darth Wong]

I see the tired old "precog sucks if it isn't perfect" argument is being trotted out again. Of course, Spiderman's precog has failed him on occasion too, but that doesn't seem to stop comic fan-whores from predicting that Spiderman would never ever ever ever get beaten by a thug with a machinegun.

Ok, it isnt perfect in the sense that it wont always be effective depending on their opponents speed, spidey shouldnt get beat by a thug with a gun, but I'll be damned if anyone tried to argue he can react to gladiator coming at him top speed

When did we start talking about Gladiator? You talked about Superman, I pointed out that Superman's abilities are incredibly variable depending on which writer and period you're dealing with, and the flaming commenced. I'd say it's reasonable to say that low-end Superman might get beaten by a Jedi, but I'd agree that high-end Superman is absurdly powerful and would not.

[Prodigal Son]

Yes, amazingly I did not descend to your level. I dealt with y opponenets points instead of ignoring them, denying them, and cursing while decrying them doing the same, and trying to appear more mature by hurling out "kid" left and right.

You know, if you had simply acknowledged this point pages ago instead of ignoring it and hoping you could fight your way out of it, you wouldn't look like the boil on the collective ass of humanity you now appear to be.

what points? I didnt see the point you had made cuz it got cluttered by all the star wars fanboyism, NOBODY else made a valid point like you did, their responses were bullshit

[Wyrm]

Lying bitch. The threat only came when your response to me pointing out your strawman was to shove words in my mouth. Do not lie about your opponents positions. Do not lie period.

who the fuck are you kid? who the fuck are you to tell me im lying? Ive heard about this board, ive heard people get banned when they dont agree with the mods, DEAL WITH IT BITCH, if it isnt true then say it isnt true, but dont throw a fuckin little pansy ass hissy fit

Actually, dearheart, you're the one who will have to deal with being banned.

By the way, banning a ranting looney != banning someone over a difference of opinion. You get banned for your not obeying the rules. That there's a correlation between this kind of behavior and rabid fans of silly genres isn't our fault.

That is not an 'opinion'. I'm sick of you and your fellow whiny bitches turning you coming here, insulting the population, putting up bullshit arguments, then, when the pathetic attempts are knocked down, turning into whiny little brats who think they can insult everyone, never provide an argument, and shove words in the other guys mouths.

and im sick of you and your pack of star wars fanboys acting like youre always right and everyone else is wrong, everyone else is a moron but you are intelligent? shut the fuck up you bias piece of shit

The difference between SirNitram and yourself is that he is (often) right and you are a moron, because SirNitram knows how to fucking use his grey matter and you are a drooling braindead fanwhore who uses a stack of colored newsprint as his brains.

[SirNitram]

Let's just recap the posted and stated rules Prodigal Son is breaking right now.

Posts are to be made in the relevant forum.

If you intend to start a debate, search the forum and the associated websites first, to see if your arguments have been raised before. If you are too lazy to search the forum and the associated websites before launching what you no doubt believe to be an innovative and original argument, then do not complain if you are flamed to a crisp.

Do not "hijack" threads by trying to change the subject in mid-stream. We are aware that a discussion may meander into different tangents and even different subjects without any conscious effort to make it do so. However, there are times when, in the judgement of our staff, someone has deliberately ignored or tried to change the subject of a thread.

Here's a biggie:

Do not use someone's rudeness as an excuse to ignore his points.

Heh. Think he'll ever abide by that?

If you dismiss an argument because of its use of profanity, you can be instantly banned.

I wonder if he'll be dumb enough to claim he didn't read them, to a Supermod?

[Darth Wong]

It would be easy to kill the "crappiest" Superman incarnation as you put it: simply use a ship and vapourize the area he's in. Contrary to what you say, low-end Superman has never been anywhere near as indestructible as high-end Superman, and you never said "Jedi"; you said "anyone from the SW's universe"; that's pretty fucking open-ended, and certainly doesn't preclude the use of technology (hell, even the lightsabre is technology).